Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The fact that he is telling a Russian leader to wait until he does not have to worry about the American voters to work out an arms deal. You just cannot see him doing anything wrong can you. If evrything was so great why does he need to ask them to wait? Its because he knows that the voters might not like waht he is going to do so he wants to wait until after the election.

I guess we all see/hear/read what we want. Personally I saw it as:

Obama: Yo, you know this is an election year and I just can't get a deal of that magnitude done with the current crop of GOP in house. Plus I am not trying to give those mofo more ammunition to attack me as weak on defense. The climate has to be right and right now the situation for getting this thing done is icky but I am sure we'll be able to light that sticky icky icky stuff after the election is over and I've beaten those bamas to a pulp.

Medvedev: I feel ya, I'ma let the homies know wassup.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I guess we all see/hear/read what we want. Personally I saw it as:

Well if his plan was such a good idea for the American people I'm sure he would use that for his election campaign. Only one reason to hide and agenda and that because it not so great. He sure talks about all the other crap he wants to do which he thinks will get him votes.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The fact that he is telling a Russian leader to wait until he does not have to worry about the American voters to work out an arms deal. You just cannot see him doing anything wrong can you. If evrything was so great why does he need to ask them to wait? Its because he knows that the voters might not like waht he is going to do so he wants to wait until after the election.

He didn't say anything about the American voters, you said that. Russia just elected a new president(Vladimir Putin) a month ago and we're having an election in 6-7 months. Would it make sense for President Obama to start negotiating an arms deal with the possibility that Mitt Romney might be president or better still, the make-up of Congress could be different?

So yeah, he was right. Let's wait until after November and see who the players are before we come to the table. Sounds reasonable to me.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

He didn't say anything about the American voters, you said that. Russia just elected a new president(Vladimir Putin) a month ago and we're having an election in 6-7 months. Would it make sense for President Obama to start negotiating an arms deal with the possibility that Mitt Romney might be president or better still, the make-up of Congress could be different?

So yeah, he was right. Let's wait until after November and see who the players are before we come to the table. Sounds reasonable to me.

He said after the election and who votes in the elections. The voters. So I guess he will also wait on all his other things he wants to do until after the election? What a coward ops leader.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He said after the election and who votes in the elections. The voters. So I guess he will also wait on all his other things he wants to do until after the election? What a coward ops leader.

Seems there's no convincing you. But let's just remember there's this little thing called Congress. And remember Obama's not the only person running for reelection in November.

Again, was acknowledgement of the reality. He didn't throw anyone under the bus.

[12thMan]

And if it was about dodging voters, wouldn't he put ALL legislation on hold?

[RedskinRat]

[12thMan]

A little interesting fact, no Republican candidate for office has ever won the presidency without winning the state of Ohio. It's still really early, but the president seems to be opening up a lead there.

[dmek25]

"The Romney campaign will give us access to some of their networks but it will be our responsibility to raise the money," Gingrich spokesman R.C. Hammond said. "While campaigning in support of Romney, the party, and congressional candidates, we will also hold separate events to raise money to pay off debts."
nothing like buying someones support

[12thMan]

Slingin, if you think a contraception mandate, which by the way DOES NOT mandate religious institutions pay for, which favors a huge swath of female voters is going to sink Obama's reelection chances, you're sadly mistaken.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Slingin, if you think a contraception mandate, which by the way DOES NOT mandate religious institutions pay for, which favors a huge swath of female voters is going to sink Obama's reelection chances, you're sadly mistaken.

The mandate includes sterilization and abortion drugs also...but again not the point. This is not how the Catholic Church sees it. It's a 1st Ammendment issue.

You and I won't agree on this and we don't really matter in the grand scheme of things (we off-set each other in Nov.). Most folks aren't aware or are only vaguely aware of this issue, but it will be hammered by the Church and as I mentioned before if it swings even 10%, hell even 5% that could be up to 1M Obama votes switched, a 2M vote swing against Obama.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The mandate includes sterilization and abortion drugs also...but again not the point. This is not how the Catholic Church sees it. It's a 1st Ammendment issue.

You and I won't agree on this and we don't really matter in the grand scheme of things (we off-set each other in Nov.). Most folks aren't aware or are only vaguely aware of this issue, but it will be hammered by the Church and as I mentioned before if it swings even 10%, hell even 5% that could be up to 1M Obama votes switched, a 2M vote swing against Obama.

I simply believe, as it relates to this issue, there's a huge gap between the Church and it's constituents.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I simply believe, as it relates to this issue, there's a huge gap between the Church and it's constituents.

It's very difficult for me to mitigate SS33's option vs facts and more facts. Unless catholic voters fall well outside the norm of a typical voter I don't see an issue, only wishful thinking.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's very difficult for me to mitigate SS33's option vs facts and more facts. Unless catholic voters fall well outside the norm of a typical voter I don't see an issue, only wishful thinking.

12th and saden you're right in lockstep with the Administration. Great news, please keep letting Obama know he's doing the right thing and to stay-the-course on this....but here's what's going on outside the Beltway:

Obama's grand miscalculation with Catholics | Fox News

Important points: "Obama was ahead among Catholics by 9 points in early March, and is now trailing by 5 points. The Pew survey finds that, among Catholic voters with an opinion, 47% would today vote for President Obama, and 52% for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. That same margin, were it to hold on Election Day, would mark a swing of 18 million voters away from Obama."

"And among every other category of women, the issue turns out to be a loser, while also carrying a very tangible cost among Catholics: Twenty-nine percent say they are now less likely to vote for the president because of this issue, more than double the 13% who say it makes them more likely to support him. "

Also this from NYT, check questions 73 & 74.
New York Times/CBS Poll - Document - NYTimes.com

Again, this isn't about whether contraception is OK, it's about whether a religious institution should be forced to violate its beliefs.

And no one's buying the "employee going to the insurer direct" compromise/nonsense, the insurer will simply be burying the cost into the Church's premiums.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Slingin, if you think a contraception mandate, which by the way DOES NOT mandate religious institutions pay for, which favors a huge swath of female voters is going to sink Obama's reelection chances, you're sadly mistaken.

Obama is doing that on his own.