Redskins D-coordinator talks frustration over Haynesworth

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still don't get why the team insists on keeping this guy. Just get rid of him.

It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN


DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's simple. He ****ed with the wrong guy. You don't try to make a power play with Mike Shanahan and walk away a winner. You don't take a $20 million dollar check, then tell the guy to his face that you are going to do whatever he asks and renege on the deal when it comes time for you to perform. He's making an example out of Al, and one I endorse. (up to a particular point)

I posted this before, but I think it's worth the repost.


DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN


DT calls Shanahan 'little man' - NFL - ESPN

'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN

Look at the case with Daryl Gardner to find out exactly what's going to happen to big boy. Instead of it being a circus, he's just going to suspend fat boy and keep him at home. (paid if he has to)

Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases. If Shanahan doesn't get rid of him, in my opinion it will be a failure from his part to not be able to move on from this circus. I don't get why people are so hell bent on "oh let him rot on the bench" or "oh he f'ed with the wrong guy". WHO THE HELL CARES?! I'm sick and tired of hearing about this guy and the people who insists on keeping him on the team.

Mike Shanahan's #1 biggest mistake so far is trading for McNabb. Second biggest mistake? Keeping this circus alive. Nothing positive will come from keeping this mistake on the team. Sh*t, trade him for a 7th rounder or some back up o-lineman. I don't care about this guy and the only news I want to hear is that he has been traded or cut.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Mike Shanahan was brought here to win and not to discipline fat lazy head cases.

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)

Well Mike Shanahan brought McNabb, which ironically this move was similar to what the old regime used to do.

For Mike Shanahan to win, he needs to get rid of players that aren't up to par, bring new players that get with his plan, and win. Keeping Haynesworth as a distraction is not part of it. All that would tell me is that MS takes things personally and he lets his ego dictate his actions.

And Haynesworth will be a distraction, Kevin Sheehan alone will make sure that it is.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

Exactly! A firm foundation must be laid by a firm hand. He needs to show everyone, in exponential terms, that he runs the show and no BS will be tolerated. To do that, you need to make some examples of problem players to set the tone for the greater good (rest of the team) before you have a winning culture.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Exactly! A firm foundation must be laid by a firm hand. He needs to show everyone, in exponential terms, that he runs the show and no BS will be tolerated. To do that, you need to make some examples of problem players to set the tone for the greater good (rest of the team) before you have a winning culture.

Or just get rid of them by releasing them or trading them, which is what Bill Belichick did this past off season with Richard Seymour (not really a problem, but obviously the team didn't want him there), Randy Moss (didn't want to be with the team, so he was released), and Adalius Thomas (problem child that would not get with the plan, released before the draft).

Meanwhile, you are asking the team to be like the Bengals, a team whose owner insists on keeping malcontents on the team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Or just get rid of them by releasing them or trading them, which is what Bill Belichick did this past off season with Richard Seymour (not really a problem, but obviously the team didn't want him there), Randy Moss (didn't want to be with the team, so he was released), and Adalius Thomas (problem child that would not get with the plan, released before the draft).

Meanwhile, you are asking the team to be like the Bengals, a team whose owner insists on keeping malcontents on the team.

Well the Pats got high draft picks for both Seymour and Moss. The Pats don't get taken on trades, they do the taking. So far I'm not sure anyone out ther is offering us a high draft pick for Train Wreck.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well the Pats got high draft picks for both Seymour and Moss. The Pats don't get taken on trades, they do the taking. So far I'm not sure anyone out ther is offering us a high draft pick for Train Wreck.

But they straight up cut Adalius Thomas, who was the true problem child of that bunch. The point is that Belichick doesn't keep malcontents around. Heck, Chucky got rid of Keyshawn Johnson after he was suspended (similar to the Haynesworth suspension).

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can't do one without the other. He was brought in to win. That you are right on. That said, you aren't going to win unless you change the culture, and that all starts with overpaid players who refuse to get with the program. (mcnabb included)


I think if he's a distraction early on, you suspend him again for 4 games and sit him at home the rest of the year like the Bucs did with Keyshaun. THEN, you wait until the off-season and dump him.

I am not positive about this but I think that option is not available.

When the Eagles sent T.O. home for the year, the NFLPA filed some sort of grievance and the NFLPA won. I believe that the most a team can do is to suspend a player for 4 games for "being a distraction" or things like that. After that, I believe the player has to be put back on the team or released.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

This everything to do with $$$$. He's doing whatever he can to get released (not traded) so he can go after another big payday elsewhere.

Could Haynesworth be headed to the Eagles?

"Although Haynesworth's contract is worth $100 million, he's already received $35.6 million of that from the Redskins, and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- $5.4 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012. He's due $28.5 million in 2013, including a $20 million bonus, so whoever takes on his contract -- if anybody does -- is virtually certain to release him after the 2012 season."

AH knows he'll never see that 28.5 from the Skins, he's trying to cash another 8-figure check before he's done. He has no desire to play football (in any scheme), he only cares about getting paid.

As much as I'd love to bury the POS on the bench, make his life hell, and ruin his career, if he doesn't want to play and only cares about money we still need to pay the guy if he's on the roster. If he goes out and takes a nap in the middle of plays, there isn't much we can do. At this point it's probably best to cut our losses get as much as we can for him in a trade and move on.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

and his base salaries the next two years are relatively modest -- $5.4 million in 2011 and $6.7 million in 2012.

I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'm almost willing to guarantee that nobody will even pay him those types of figures after this point. Not after his act here in DC. I think the next contract he gets is going to be heavily incentive laden.

He'll likely get out of here and get either a fat contract from a coach/team that had a positive experience with him and chalk up his poor attitude/performance to the regime change/3-4 in DC. Or, as you mentioned, get a 1 yr. incentive deal, play well and get another fat payday next off-season.