Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Status

[skinster]

Heres what I dont understand. It seems that no team can have more than 12 million dollars in dead cap this year. That just doesnt seem to make sense on so many levels.
For starters, the redskins seem to already have more than 12 million dollars in dead cap this year due to portis and carter being cut. It also seems that we want to get rid of significantly more players.
Also it doesnt make sense from the owners perspective to agree to. Players with signing bonuses large enough will be impossible to cut untill a certain year in their contract. I don't think the owners would agree to not being able to cut any of their larger contract players that don't pan out.
I'm not saying there is no dead cap, I'm just saying I think having a 12 million dollar dead cap doesn't seem to make sense on so many levels and I think there is more information out there that has not been presented to us (if dead cap still exists).

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinster

Heres what I dont understand. It seems that no team can have more than 12 million dollars in dead cap this year. That just doesnt seem to make sense on so many levels.
For starters, the redskins seem to already have more than 12 million dollars in dead cap this year due to portis and carter being cut. It also seems that we want to get rid of significantly more players.
Also it doesnt make sense from the owners perspective to agree to. Players with signing bonuses large enough will be impossible to cut untill a certain year in their contract. I don't think the owners would agree to not being able to cut any of their larger contract players that don't pan out.
I'm not saying there is no dead cap, I'm just saying I think having a 12 million dollar dead cap doesn't seem to make sense on so many levels and I think there is more information out there that has not been presented to us (if dead cap still exists).

Teams can have more than $12 million in dead cap.

I see where you got the $12 million, but it's a faulty assumption. Cash Paid + Dead Cap does not equal salary cap.

Salary Cap = Base Salary + Roster Bonus + Workout Bonus + Dead Cap + Likely To Be Earned Incentives + Allocated Portions of Guaranteed Bonuses Paid to Players Still On Roster

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Teams can have more than $12 million in dead cap.

I see where you got the $12 million, but it's a faulty assumption. Cash Paid + Dead Cap does not equal salary cap.

Salary Cap = Base Salary + Roster Bonus + Workout Bonus + Dead Cap + Likely To Be Earned Incentives + Allocated Portions of Guaranteed Bonuses Paid to Players Still On Roster

I wasn't talking about the cap, I was talking about the floor being so close to the cap. I thought I read somewhere that the floor was to be salary paid out to active players on the roster that year, but after doing some more research I couldnt find that anywhere. Must have confused an article I read.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinster

I wasn't talking about the cap, I was talking about the floor being so close to the cap. I thought I read somewhere that the floor was to be salary paid out to active players on the roster that year, but after doing some more research I couldnt find that anywhere. Must have confused an article I read.

There is a floor, it will be salaries + cash bonuses (signing or otherwise).

But just because the floor is close to the cap doesn't mean deadcap is limited to the difference. Signing bonuses don't all hit the cap in the current year, they are allocated to future seasons.

It's entirely possible to pay out $140 million in cash in a given year, and at the same tiem have a cap number less than $120 million.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There is a floor, it will be salaries + cash bonuses (signing or otherwise).

But just because the floor is close to the cap doesn't mean deadcap is limited to the difference. Signing bonuses don't all hit the cap in the current year, they are allocated to future seasons.

It's entirely possible to pay out $140 million in cash in a given year, and at the same tiem have a cap number less than $120 million.

Ok, thats what was confusing me. I thought that if we got above 12 million in dead cap we wouldnt be able reach the cap floor. Thats the way that it seemed to read to me when I was looking at different articles.

But im assuming owners want to be between the cap floor and max cap every season and not being paying the max plus extra millions in dead cap salaries.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Ok, thats what was confusing me. I thought that if we got above 12 million in dead cap we wouldnt be able reach the cap floor. Thats the way that it seemed to read to me when I was looking at different articles.

But im assuming owners want to be between the cap floor and max cap every season and not being paying the max plus extra millions in dead cap salaries.

True. That would be the most effective use of your funds. Of course to make it happen your players have to meet up to the standards called for by their contracts.

[SmootSmack]

Some good info here from Andrew Brandt on the cap, starts at around the 3:10 mark. One thing I think we've only mentioned here once, if at all, that's often forgotten is the cash minimum must be met by the end of the year not before.

Andrew Brandt, NFL - ESPN

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There is a floor, it will be salaries + cash bonuses (signing or otherwise).

But just because the floor is close to the cap doesn't mean deadcap is limited to the difference. Signing bonuses don't all hit the cap in the current year, they are allocated to future seasons.

It's entirely possible to pay out $140 million in cash in a given year, and at the same tiem have a cap number less than $120 million.

Ok, so I'd like some things clarified. When you say cash bonuses apply to the salary floor, does that include the cash bonuses left of players cut that get paid out? I think examples might help clarify. Like how will Andre Carter, Clinton Portis, Donovan Mcnabb, Albert Haynesworth being cut affect the salary floor and the salary cap respectively.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinster

Ok, so I'd like some things clarified. When you say cash bonuses apply to the salary floor, does that include the cash bonuses left of players cut that get paid out? I think examples might help clarify. Like how will Andre Carter, Clinton Portis, Donovan Mcnabb, Albert Haynesworth being cut affect the salary floor and the salary cap respectively.

The bonus has to be paid to count. It can be scheduled, but if it's not guaranteed, and it isn't paid, it's not going to count towards the cash minimum.

Carter and Portis (I believe) will count as zero towards the cash min. But they'll combine for more than $10 million in deadcap in 2011.

McNabb and Haynesworth might end up counting a bit if they get paid for workout bonuses.

The best way to think of it is this: "checks written to players in the 2011 league year will equal no less than 108ish million." But I suppose the kicker is that if the team fails to hold a payroll for 108 million, then Snyder just has to cut a check for the difference. So the INCENTIVE to not spend cash goes away. But the system isn't fundamentally changed.

Hard to see this affecting the Redskins at all, but it will affect how other teams do business.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The bonus has to be paid to count. It can be scheduled, but if it's not guaranteed, and it isn't paid, it's not going to count towards the cash minimum.

Carter and Portis (I believe) will count as zero towards the cash min. But they'll combine for more than $10 million in deadcap in 2011.

McNabb and Haynesworth might end up counting a bit if they get paid for workout bonuses.

The best way to think of it is this: "checks written to players in the 2011 league year will equal no less than 108ish million." But I suppose the kicker is that if the team fails to hold a payroll for 108 million, then Snyder just has to cut a check for the difference. So the INCENTIVE to not spend cash goes away. But the system isn't fundamentally changed.

Hard to see this affecting the Redskins at all, but it will affect how other teams do business.

Just curious where you get you numbers from. I'm not doubting you, but portis's release fee on the warpath salary cap info is 5.5 mil and carters is 10.5. Even their 2012 release fees are still above 10 mil combined.

It seems weird that the cap went down so much this year with contracts going up year after year. I think contracts will still go up due to reports I've heard (i.e asomuaghs possible contract) and the obvious agents demands stemming, but it seems that many owners that want to spend wont be able to, and many owners that don't want to spend will be forced to or just give up their money. Also speaking of which, where does that money go to if a team doesn't meet the salary floor and has to cut a check to make up the difference.

It just seems weird the way this agreement was come to. I don't see it benefitting the owners too much. The ones that want to spend cant and the ones that dont want to have to.

Also, this isn't really that important, but it seems to me that the redskins will not meet the floor due to the amount of dead cap we will have, and have to pay the difference.