Twitter burns as Owners ratify

[wilsowilso]

This is about to get ugly.

Hope not, but that's my prediction.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

This is about to get ugly.

Hope not, but that's my prediction.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Greg_A_Bedard Greg A. Bedard
by FO_DougFarrar
High-ranking NFLPA source told me 45 min ago: "Tell everyone to calm down. Haven't come this far to derail a deal."


Hope this is true

[NC_Skins]

The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm



What the **** is up with Al Davis? Hasn't this douchebag voted against each CBA agreement that has come up? Abstaining? Why can't the NFL just revoke the guys franchise from him much like MLB has done with the McCourts?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm

I am still waiting to see a link or something concrete that shows the owners in some way, altered the terms that had been agreed upon with NFLPA leadership or inserted language that was either contrary to that agreement or inserted terms that were simply never contemplated. Show me the link as to the specifics parts of the agreement that "THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on". I haven't seen it. I have heard allegations and diatribe and read Vonnie Holliday's tweet, but nothing referring to the specifics parts of the proposal that the players did not agree to. Please show me exactly what you are talking about by referencing the Proposal's terms.

Ahhh, but the owners are constantly evil and have money so it MUST be there fault, evidence is simply not needed to prove that immutable point. <sigh>

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am still waiting to see a link or something concrete that shows the owners in some way, altered the terms that had been agreed upon or inserted language that was either contrary to that agreement or was simply never discussed. Show me the link as to the specifics parts of the agreement that "THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on". I haven't seen it. I have heard allegations and diatribe and read Vonnie Holliday's tweet, but nothing referring to the specifics parts of the proposal that the players did not agree to.

Ahhh, but the owners are constantly evil and have money so it MUST be there fault, evidence is simply not needed to prove that immutable point. <sigh>

I don't think you'll find that. I think the issue is the players like the agreement but they have to poll all 1900+ players, in other words the players must vote to be a union again. Then they can vote on accepting the new CBA. So technically the players are not ready, but it is their own mistake for not having found a way to quickly get their vote ie; a simple e-mail from each player using employee numbers or something.

The issue of the owners adding things I think is the owners demanding the players reform prior to being allowed to show up at team facilities. I think the players were hoping the owners would take all the risk and open their doors and them allow the players to come together to vote on reforming then the player rep could send the vote to whomever and with the majority vote then the player reps could vote on the new CBA as a union. But the owners don't want to take the risk and I don't blame them.

As far as the other issue's like injury settlements that's all arguments a union would have to argue which can't take place until the players reform.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The NFL PR machine is almost as good as the GOP/DEM PR machine. They agree to a deal THEY come up with, and act as if was something the players also agreed on and that they are the ones holding this up. The worst part is, people believe it...lol I guess that's why people keep voting in the same cats that continue to feed them bullshit at election time as well. /facepalm



What the **** is up with Al Davis? Hasn't this douchebag voted against each CBA agreement that has come up? Abstaining? Why can't the NFL just revoke the guys franchise from him much like MLB has done with the McCourts?

In fact, Davis approved the previous deal and back in the late 90s or early 00s, Davis was part of a contingent of owners who went to Gene Upshaw to convince him to make what was supposed to be a 3-year deal into a 5-year deal.


Now, if you want make the case that Al Davis has lost more than a bit off his fastball and is probably not the swiftest deer in the forest, be my guest. But he has not been a CBA stumbling block in the past.


For the record, two owners voted against the last CBA when it was presented to them - - the CBA that the league later voted to opt out of. Those were Ralph Wilson (Bills) and Mike Brown (Benglas).

[SmootSmack]

Good breakdown by Andrew Brandt

We have a (proposed) deal | National Football Post

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good breakdown by Andrew Brandt

We have a (proposed) deal | National Football Post

Good read.

This is just one of the final steps of the process. Nobody said it was going to be smooth or easy. I think once the players have some time to step back from the ledge today and start digesting the deal, cooler heads will prevail.

[SBXVII]

I'm slightly confused.....

During this whole process the owners had Goodell to negotiate terms for them, different owners sat in on meetings at different times, yesterday when the owners showed up and had their meeting I'd guess each owner was given the proposal to peruse over night and I'd presume they talked about the issue's and changes today.... then voted on it.

The players had D.Smith negotiating for them, and just like the owners the players had different player reps sitting in on meetings at different times, no different then how the owners handled their proposal meeting and vote the players should have done the same. Yet we get word that one player rep didn't get the proposal until today? that they want time to digest the material? and then there is " the owners are trying to push us into a corner" and " the owners are trying to slip/sneak items into the CBA"? WTF?

The best one was.... ”We hadn’t even seen the deal the owners voted on today." Is it not the same effing proposal the players are supposed to be looking at and digesting just like the owners? What games are the players playing?

Then the players mentioned they were concerned about how they will become a Union again?
#1- that has nothing to do with the owners.
#2- the NFLPA* should have already been making plans for that prior to now.
#3- they don't have to wait until all the players are back at their facilities to sign some idiot card in order to become a union. Their simply trying to make sure they have the majority vote to become a Union again, so all the "Reps" should be making contact with all the players from their organizations with the simple question "do you want to become part of a Union again?" If each "Rep" returns with a majority vote of yes then reinstate the damn union and the "Reps" should be able to agree to the proposal.

Lockout can be lifted, when the players report next week the NFLPA can request the players to sign the stupid card for accountability, and all parties can wait for the "Final Draft" so they can sign them. If everyone is going to have to wait till the "Final Draft" is typed up and signed by the owners before the players will vote and sign then you can figure on the season not starting until Oct. or Nov.

[GTripp0012]

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

Nice to see there are some level heads out there.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was the most encouraging thing I saw last night:

Jeremy Jarmon gets it | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

If you don't follow Jarmon on Twitter, you're missing out. The guy is really smart. May not help him make the roster in the end, but the NFLPA needs more leadership like him.

Yes he does seem to get it. I think the player reps were expecting to be able to show up and take a copy of the final product home and have several days to go over it with a fine tooth comb and then get back together to have their questions answered. I think they got offended when after the owners got together that the owners wanted yet another concession from the players, but do they realize that's he negotiation process? That's why the two negotiators had phone contact so if either party didn't like something or wanted something added they could immediately call each other and pass it along to be given to either the owners or player reps.


I think what ticks me off more is the players acting stupid like they didn't know or have a clue that they would have to become a Union again prior to signing the new CBA. The players should have had a plan, a plan on how to reach all 1900 plus players in a hurry to get their approval to re unionize and it sounds like they didn't or they were hoping to push the owners into a corner by making them lift the lockout first then the players could show up at the facilities to vote which does sound easy but is also BS because it puts the owners in a spot if the players decide they do not want to re unionize and the doors were opened back up.

And then there is the whole idea that they can't vote be aide they need time to look everything over. Did they not participate in the meetings? Not everyone but neither did the owners and they went over he material and voted.

[GTripp0012]

I feel bad for the players, who obviously couldn't have voted on a document they haven't read. But the NFLPA pays its lawyers to do the same thing the NFL pays its lawyers for. Only, as far as I can tell, both sides lawyers hammered out these solutions in record time, while the NFLPAs group has consistently kept the people they work for in the dark.

These allegations of the Owners making a power play on the Players are unfortunate, but are only possible because the players couldn't wrap up their end of the bargain on Wednesday. And I don't think it was for lack of desire. I think the NFLPA did a piss poor job getting the 32 player reps adequately prepared to vote on a deal.

I fully expect the players to be the "bigger man" and do what it takes to bring us football, but that wouldn't have had to happen if their leadership had just done their jobs starting last Saturday and expedited the process of a deal. But there were just too many other motives out there for the NFLPA non-players.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I feel bad for the players, who obviously couldn't have voted on a document they haven't read. But the NFLPA pays its lawyers to do the same thing the NFL pays its lawyers for. Only, as far as I can tell, both sides lawyers hammered out these solutions in record time, while the NFLPAs group has consistently kept the people they work for in the dark.

These allegations of the Owners making a power play on the Players are unfortunate, but are only possible because the players couldn't wrap up their end of the bargain on Wednesday. And I don't think it was for lack of desire. I think the NFLPA did a piss poor job getting the 32 player reps adequately prepared to vote on a deal.

I fully expect the players to be the "bigger man" and do what it takes to bring us football, but that wouldn't have had to happen if their leadership had just done their jobs starting last Saturday and expedited the process of a deal. But there were just too many other motives out there for the NFLPA non-players.

What other motives are you talking about G?