Twitter burns as Owners ratify

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm beginning to think the players don't know what the issues are. Each time we hear from a rep it's something different. Did the players get a different proposal with different material inside? Do they not have the power to vote for the better of the whole? Where they not being kept informed of the negotiations and it's content?

The owners had the same issues but wee able to agree on the proposal. There were 32 owners and 32 reps all supposed to decide on the proposal. Not 1900+ players. That's why they are called reps.

I've done 5 different contracts over my 30 years at work and no 2 are alike.Yep there are 32 reps and they were at the table for their players but it's the players not the reps that decide everything....they must sit down and look it over ,.....everyplayer has a different issue and most of those players will be lucky to play 5 years so the 7 year cluas most likely will go by the roadside.....at the end of the day the players must decide if they can live with this and what is best for all as a whole.....not the individual.

[Mechanix544]

Im Sorry, but if vonnie holliday was the articulate, deep thinker everyone claims him to be, why is he crying about the proposal on twitter to fans. Malcolm X comment or not, all that aside, that is not the proper forum. Especially when you are in negotiations for billions of dollars. Did he think that would have a positive impact on the players plight? All it did is make him a beacon for reporters, and when asked the hard questions, as in, "What the hell did they slip in the deal at the last moments", all he can reply with is "I cant go over the finer points of the proposal". If you are going to take a stand on twitter or whatever media outlet you decide, do it and dont be wishy washy. Sorry, but vonnie holliday may be more articulate than the average NFL player, but that does not make him smart at all. Dumb move, especially when you can't articulate on the "finer points". He himself said the deal was on the internet, so if it was available to the masses, why cant you point out exactly what was sour with the proposal? Just another case of NFL players trying to act like seasoned lawyers, and epically failing in said process. Laughable.

[SBXVII]

1- there is a reason why there are representatives.
2- why does it not take longer for the owners to look over the proposal?

There are 32 reps just like owners. The reps are in place to make decisions for the players of their teams. And there already should have been a decision made that if the reps thought the deal was fair then they could agree to it. But first is first the players should have had a plan on how to agree to become a union again especially when things started looking like it was coming to an end. Maybe they were out partying too much and not enough trying to understand the material as it was being formed and a plan for how to talk to the players for a reformation.

I think the players lawyers were too busy trying to figure out how to derail the system or shaft the process vs planning how to reform and get all the players involved.

It just seems the players were I'll prepared all around. Maybe if they needed all 1900+ players opinions on the matter they should have found a venue where all the players could show up instead of just the reps and should have gone over the material and voted on whether to reform and then gotten their "Union Cards" and voted on the CBA.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

1- there is a reason why there are representatives.
2- why does it not take longer for the owners to look over the proposal?

There are 32 reps just like owners. The reps are in place to make decisions for the players of their teams. And there already should have been a decision made that if the reps thought the deal was fair then they could agree to it. But first is first the players should have had a plan on how to agree to become a union again especially when things started looking like it was coming to an end. Maybe they were out partying too much and not enough trying to understand the material as it was being formed and a plan for how to talk to the players for a reformation.

I think the players lawyers were too busy trying to figure out how to derail the system or shaft the process vs planning how to reform and get all the players involved.

It just seems the players were I'll prepared all around. Maybe if they needed all 1900+ players opinions on the matter they should have found a venue where all the players could show up instead of just the reps and should have gone over the material and voted on whether to reform and then gotten their "Union Cards" and voted on the CBA.

They only need a simple majority vote to approve this CBA deal. Not every player will or has to agree to it.
I think what is not being discussed in this thread is the owners got what they wanted in this proposal. They got the majority of the revenue split. The rest is gravy. So of course the players are having to wrap their heads around this loss and trying to incorporate a 7 year out clause. The owners that won the revenue split will resist it. If incorporating the 7 year out clause is a deal breaker for both sides then we will have more delay and negotiations.

[Ruhskins]

Well they are reviewing the proposal and hopefully voting on it. I think the players have the right to read on what they are signing up for and if that was just completing then they must be given time. Each side has been trying to outdo the other in some way, shape, or form. In the end, the delays hurts the players more, so I don't get any outright accusations against the players.

[Chico23231]

Players need to get off twitter and come together and create the dialogue to get this done. Not overly impressed by either side and its lax approach to let this seem like a soap opera at the end. Stay away from the media and the social networks and just get it done. kinda weak

[BigHairedAristocrat]

so lets get this straight - the owners didnt add any last minute changes to the CBA as the players alleged - the players just were not fully aware of all the terms that D Smith had negotiated in their behalf. To me, it looks like the players should have kept their mouths shut. They all look like idiots for accusing the NFL of doing something sneaky, when in fact, they should be upset at D Smith, if anyone for not making them fully aware of the terms prior to last night.

[JoeRedskin]

Again, and to the very end, plenty of blame all around. NFLPA should have kept players better informed and prepped them over this last week, players should have made sure they were up on the substance of the negotiations, and the Owners should not have gone to the national media and proclaimed "We Have A Deal!!!"

At the end of the day, it will be all worked out with maybe a tweak or two. We may lose a week of training camp or even a preseason game, but, bottom line, there will be football come September.

And, come September, our Skins will probably be mediocre regardless of exactly when the two sides agree. <sigh>

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Again, and to the very end, plenty of blame all around. NFLPA should have kept players better informed and prepped them over this last week, players should have made sure they were up on the substance of the negotiations, and the Owners should not have gone to the national media and proclaimed "We Have A Deal!!!"

At the end of the day, it will be all worked out with maybe a tweak or two. We may lose a week of training camp or even a preseason game, but, bottom line, there will be football come September.

And, come September, our Skins will probably be mediocre regardless of exactly when the two sides agree. <sigh>

Exactly how i feel as well. If i was a GB fan or who ever is good I be lets get this done so we can watch some good football but knowing this going to be a long year for the Skins hard to get to excited about anything.

I have not felt this under whelmed about a upcoming skins like this one in quit sometime. sigh.

[Ruhskins]

Interesting tidbit from Schefter:

"NFL gameday rosters will expand this season from 45 to 46 players, with the No. 3 quarterback no longer counting as an inactive player."

[SolidSnake84]

I am as confused as many here. If the owners have agreed to end the lockout, but the players wont come back, Can the Owners now use replacement players until the players all agree to come back?

How it looks to me is that everything is ironed out except the issues of the players playing. Why not use replacements short-term to at least get a team on the field and generate revenue??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I am as confused as many here. If the owners have agreed to end the lockout, but the players wont come back, Can the Owners now use replacement players until the players all agree to come back?

How it looks to me is that everything is ironed out except the issues of the players playing. Why not use replacements short-term to at least get a team on the field and generate revenue??

That's jumping the gun just a bit. The owners have agreed to end the lockout... pending the players agreeing to the deal, which they haven't yet.

Not everything is ironed out yet. The owners basically approved their own proposal, now the players have to agree to it. And once the union forms again there are some issues that still have to be hashed out.

[saden1]

They can't be worse than last year.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

They can't be worse than last year.

That sounds like a challenge!!!

[Defensewins]

Oooppps!

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