Twitter burns as Owners ratify

[SmootSmack]

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.

If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.

Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

If they are reading the document for the first time, well that's ridiculous and on the leadership.

If they are being given guidance and making sure they understand how the main points were finally resolved fine. Even then, the majority of that review should have been prepped by the player reps.

Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.

This.

They had/have a responsibility to be prepared to make decisions as effectively and efficiently as possible. It seems neither the players as a whole nor their leadership took the proper steps to allow for that. If this CBA is such a big deal to the players, as it should be and they have said it is, they should have been taking the whole process more seriously and professionally. Honestly I think they have repeatedly been made to look bad throughout this entire ordeal because they allow the NFL to "out-professional" them on a consistent basis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yes. Take the time to make an informed decision. However, - don't wait until the last minute to become informed about 3 months of negotiations.

I should point out that it's not clear where the blame for this shortfall lies. NFL litigating team, NFLPA litigating team, and Judge Boylan probably all share in the blame for these last minute tactics.

I do know that the responsibility to ensure that it doesn't happen has to sit mostly with the NFLPA, because that's pretty much their job description.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I should point out that it's not clear where the blame for this shortfall lies. NFL litigating team, NFLPA litigating team, and Judge Boylan probably all share in the blame for these last minute tactics.

I do know that the responsibility to ensure that it doesn't happen has to sit mostly with the NFLPA, because that's pretty much their job description.

Who says there is a shortfall? You?
This is a negotiations and there is no time frame. As most everyone recalls we lost a good portion of the regular season the last two times they negotiated a CBA deal. That we are this close in July is great.
That the owners and the media released a schedule saying the NFL would open doors this weekend or Monday with out both sides having signed off on the agreement was irresponsible.
That some of the fans and media are upset that we might not make the pretend Monday opening date is a joke.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Who says there is a shortfall? You?
This is a negotiations and there is no time frame. As most everyone recalls we lost a good portion of the regular season the last two times they negotiated a CBA deal. That we are this close in July is great.
That the owners and the media released a schedule saying the NFL would open doors this weekend or Monday with out both sides having signed off on the agreement was irresponsible.
That some of the fans and media are upset that we might not make the pretend Monday opening date is a joke.

The hall of fame game was scheduled. It is now cancelled. This is a shortfall that is as plain as day.

I think the owners gave the players plenty of time (until Tuesday) to approve this agreement, so it should not come as a surprise to anyone that the players are going to use some of that time to become more informed. Realistically speaking, nothing will be lost between now and Tuesday. Timetables will be pushed back, life will go on unimpeded.

Given how unimportant today is in the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure what added "pressure" the players feel under to get this done now as opposed to Monday. If they're talking about public pressures, I have little sympathy. They could have stayed on top of this and push the pressure back on the owners to meet them half way. If they're talking about legal pressures and what's at stake for them to make a quick, uninformed decision: well, nothing. They can pretty much just waste today doing nothing and they can wake up tomorrow, take recommendations, and make a vote.

I agree with your premise: being at this point in July is well ahead of schedule. Both sides just messed up royally on the procedural issues, and it cost them a nationally televised preseason game.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

I agree on the Twitter thing. It has been the real unique culprit in this situation that no one was rpepared to deal with.

I don't think the players are very savvy when it comes to this stuff at all. In general that is.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

Totally understand the want to look over the proposal, but one would think the owners would feel the same way. So is it the owners voted for something they have not looked over or is it the players reps failed to stay a part of this whole process and really have no clue what's in the CBA and want to look it over?

I think it's funny how they using the term that the proposal is being forced down their throats? No it's not, if they stayed connected to DSmith and aware of the negotiations then they would have been able to go into the Thursday meeting and quickly go over the issues and vote on if they would agree to it. Plus how hard is it to get one of their lawyers they hired to go to that meeting and explain the verbiage and why it is the way it is?

Instead they go to a meeting totally unprepared, they act like they are unaware of what's in the proposal, complain that they need time to read it and digest it, and complain about things being added and forced down their throats.

Yet the all the owners show up talk for a few hours then meet the next day for 8+ hours over the same CBA proposal and all were able to read, digest, and talk about it then vote on it.

I hope the player reps were not planning on taking the proposal back to each player and letting them read it and digest it and make an informed decision, because then ther won't be a season.

There is two simple complications
1- do they want to be a union again. The reps can contact their teammates for the answer.

2- does the union agree to the new CBA.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The real culprit here is Twitter. Everyone's getting up in arms, even some players, publicly minute by minute for the world to see for what is just a standard part of the process. We're talking about a 10 year deal with no out clause. Of course, they should take their time to review it. Sorry if everyone wanted the players just to sign off on it right away...but maybe they're not as stupid as so many believe.

I completely agree. I think it was wise to keep the negotiations process away from some of the Twitter-STUPID players.
The other one at fault here for some of the misdirected anger at the players is the NFL Network. They were constantly putting up on the screen the best case scenario calendar where NFL would be open by this weekend or Monday. Getting everyone excited. Now that it might take a little longer, some impatient frustrated rabid fans are blaming the players.

Lotus got it right in an earlier post on this thread,
" There are 32 owners, 1700 players. It makes sense that player ratification may take longer."

So doors won't be open on Monday. It might take a few more days or a week more. Big deal. The world will not end. Free agency will come soon. Just calm down.