How far can Beck take us?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

What about Clemens? He's got more starting experience than Beck I believe, and he could pass one of those guys on the depth chart. When he started for the jets I think he was about on Rex's level. Then there's Chappel & Verica. I would be surprised if one of those guys makes it as #3.

I think Clemens comes in if one of the other two gets injured. Of course, I'm not hoping for any injures, because I do think we're going to need more than on QB ready to go in at all times...possibly even all three.

I don't know anything about Chappel or Verica. One of those guys will probably make the practice squad.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm actually expecting several QB changes throughout the season. I say Beck starts, Rexy comes in at some point, Beck comes back in, same verse same as the first.

It's going to be interesting.

Grossman has got to be the starter for the first few weeks. He's shown that he can move the offense. Beck has shown nothing. He'll get his shot sooner or later cause the Shanahans have stuck their neck out for the guy. But their going to have egg on their faces for it.

[CultBrennan59]

Peter Kings gives good insight here on Beck and Kyle Shanahan wanting to draft him

Philadelphia Eagles can redo contracts for Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson and still be under NFL cap - Peter King - SI.com

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Peter Kings gives good insight here on Beck and Kyle Shanahan wanting to draft him

Philadelphia Eagles can redo*contracts for Michael Vick,*DeSean*Jackson and still be under NFL cap - Peter King - SI.com

And what is Kyle Shanahan's qualifications for scouting QB's?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And what is Kyle Shanahan's qualifications for scouting QB's?

He's significantly more qualified than you or me, or anyone else here.

He works in the NFL doesn't he?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's significantly more qualified than you or me, or anyone else here.

He works in the NFL doesn't he?

agreed. but that's not saying much either.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

agreed. but that's not saying much either.

I think it says plenty.

He grew up in a football household, he played high school and college ball, and he started out in coaching 8 years ago. I think he knows a thing or two about the game.

I studied every potential Xs and Os play and issue possible. I spent my whole life working on that. My goal was that any question a player could have about anything on the field, I'd be able to answer it. - Kyle Shanahan.

Trying to sell him short because of his Dad is pretty lame.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's significantly more qualified than you or me, or anyone else here.

He works in the NFL doesn't he?

A BIG reason he's in the position that he's in is because of his dad. If not for his dad would he have been an offensive coordinator for two NFL teams? No.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And what is Kyle Shanahan's qualifications for scouting QB's?

...and your qualifications are??

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A BIG reason he's in the position that he's in is because of his dad. If not for his dad would he have been an offensive coordinator for two NFL teams? No.

He started out as basically a intern. He earned his way up the ladder.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...and your qualifications are??





He started out as basically a intern. He earned his way up the ladder.

I never said my qualifaications are better than his. They're not. But he's where he is today cause of his dad. I never said he didn't work hard. They're guys in the NFL that have been coaching for years and have never had the chance to run an offense. Doors opened for him and he's taking advantage of that. But in my opinion, if he thinks Beck can be an NFL starter he's sadly mistaken. The Shanahans think Beck is better than any of the guys that came out this year. We'll see. But if Gabbert turns out to be legit then heads might roll.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never said my qualifaications are better than his. They're not. But he's where he is today cause of his dad. I never said he didn't work hard. They're guys in the NFL that have been coaching for years and have never had the chance to run an offense. Doors opened for him and he's taking advantage of that. But in my opinion, if he thinks Beck can be an NFL starter he's sadly mistaken. The Shanahans think Beck is better than any of the guys that came out this year. We'll see. But if Gabbert turns out to be legit then heads might roll.

His Dad might have originally opened a few doors for him but ultimately he has to keep himself in the room. If he'd have failed it wouldnt matter who his Dad is, he'd be gone.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never said my qualifaications are better than his. They're not. But he's where he is today cause of his dad. I never said he didn't work hard. They're guys in the NFL that have been coaching for years and have never had the chance to run an offense. Doors opened for him and he's taking advantage of that. But in my opinion, if he thinks Beck can be an NFL starter he's sadly mistaken. The Shanahans think Beck is better than any of the guys that came out this year. We'll see. But if Gabbert turns out to be legit then heads might roll.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'm definitely giving it a wait and see what happens on the field stance before I go assuming things about Beck. My gut feeling is that he won't play the entire season, but I could be very wrong.

[NLC1054]

*sigh*

1.) Beck went to Parcells at the end of the 2008 season and laid his cards on the table. He wanted to know where he stood in the organization, and if he'd be able to compete for a starting job. Parcells pretty much told him no. This is a year after Parcells came into the organization and said that Beck reminded him of Tony Romo.

(Which is weord, since Tony Romo wasn't a Parcells product, he was Sean Payton's project. And Mike Shanahan wanted him too. Go figure.)

Beck asked if he'd be allowed to compete for a starting job. Parcells told him no. They apparently had some words. Beck asked to be traded or be released.

Let me repeat this. John Beck ASKED to be traded or released, if he wasn't going to be able to compete for a chance to compete. This isn't Bill Parcells saying "oh, this guy isn't worth anything". That's Beck going into Parcells office and saying "I deserve to start, at least give me the opportunity to try and start somewhere else". Parcells granted his request. His request.

2.) When it comes to John Beck going to the Ravens, people very much like to ignore the fact that Beck was never going to start there. Ever. To sit and act indignant like "Oh, if Ozzie Newsome saw something in Beck he woulda kept him" conveniently ignores the fact that they already had a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco, and a back-up quarterback they drafted in Troy Smith.

The Ravens needed a corner. Mike and Kyle liked John Beck. The Ravens had just signed Marc Bulger to be a pretty expensive back-up quarterback, and Joe Flacco is healthy, so the Ravens knew they were going to be rolling with two QB's, so Beck got traded.

It's not this black and white case of "well if those guys saw anything they woulda kept him!". It's business, and it's regime changes.

I'm not saying Beck can start, but I'm kinda of annoyed at the "If Parcells/Newsome thought he had something they woulda kept him" argument. It ignores the facts of his time in the NFL.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

*sigh*

1.) Beck went to Parcells at the end of the 2008 season and laid his cards on the table. He wanted to know where he stood in the organization, and if he'd be able to compete for a starting job. Parcells pretty much told him no. This is a year after Parcells came into the organization and said that Beck reminded him of Tony Romo.

(Which is weord, since Tony Romo wasn't a Parcells product, he was Sean Payton's project. And Mike Shanahan wanted him too. Go figure.)

Beck asked if he'd be allowed to compete for a starting job. Parcells told him no. They apparently had some words. Beck asked to be traded or be released.

Let me repeat this. John Beck ASKED to be traded or released, if he wasn't going to be able to compete for a chance to compete. This isn't Bill Parcells saying "oh, this guy isn't worth anything". That's Beck going into Parcells office and saying "I deserve to start, at least give me the opportunity to try and start somewhere else". Parcells granted his request. His request.

2.) When it comes to John Beck going to the Ravens, people very much like to ignore the fact that Beck was never going to start there. Ever. To sit and act indignant like "Oh, if Ozzie Newsome saw something in Beck he woulda kept him" conveniently ignores the fact that they already had a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco, and a back-up quarterback they drafted in Troy Smith.

The Ravens needed a corner. Mike and Kyle liked John Beck. The Ravens had just signed Marc Bulger to be a pretty expensive back-up quarterback, and Joe Flacco is healthy, so the Ravens knew they were going to be rolling with two QB's, so Beck got traded.

It's not this black and white case of "well if those guys saw anything they woulda kept him!". It's business, and it's regime changes.

I'm not saying Beck can start, but I'm kinda of annoyed at the "If Parcells/Newsome thought he had something they woulda kept him" argument. It ignores the facts of his time in the NFL.

I'm glad you posted this. Maybe now some of the boo birds can quiet their chirping a bit.

[GMScud]

Sigh is right. At the end of the day we're arguing about a guy who won't beat out a Rex Grossman for a starting job.