Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE

I agree.....I just wish we hadnt switched to the 3-4...Our defense would be extremely BEAST right now. But the 3-4 is the best defense and now that we are getting the personnel for it, Im not as bitter....was a HUGE Haynesworth fan, wish it wouldve worked out....

In an int with Haslett, he basically said he could not get Big to do much of anything. Did not want to play nose, end or any other position.....completely uncooperative

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE

I agree.....I just wish we hadnt switched to the 3-4...Our defense would be extremely BEAST right now. But the 3-4 is the best defense and now that we are getting the personnel for it, Im not as bitter....was a HUGE Haynesworth fan, wish it wouldve worked out....

Well in 2009, the 10th ranked defense got us 4 wins and the 31st defense in 2010 got us 6 wins. Probably better to take our lumps in 2009. It always seemed that when the redskins were 4-3, they had a good statistical defense, Id rather have a defense that translates to wins.

[Schneed10]

Because even terrible people have pride.

[MTK]

He talked big when he first got here too. The guy is a fraud. Sooner or later things will go bad in NE. Guaranteed.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He talked big when he first got here too. The guy is a fraud. Sooner or later things will go bad in NE. Guaranteed.

Was he a fraud in Tennessee? Even POS people like Haynesworth have motivations.

He played huge in Tennessee because he was proud and wanted money. He came here and got his money and sat back like a POS.

But now he knows, if I don't get my ass in gear for Belichick nobody in the league will take me again and I'll be done. Shanahan could have sat on him until he came around to that same conclusion here.

The only way it goes bad in New England is if they extend him and give him a huge payday. Otherwise, just keep giving him the TO non-guaranteed type deal, and he'll shred offensive lines.

We blew this big time. Shanahan's my way or the highway won out over a basic understanding of human nature.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Was he a fraud in Tennessee? Even POS people like Haynesworth have motivations.

He played huge in Tennessee because he was proud and wanted money. He came here and got his money and sat back like a POS.

But now he knows, if I don't get my ass in gear for Belichick nobody in the league will take me again and I'll be done. Shanahan could have sat on him until he came around to that same conclusion here.

The only way it goes bad in New England is if they extend him and give him a huge payday. Otherwise, just keep giving him the TO non-guaranteed type deal, and he'll shred offensive lines.

We blew this big time. Shanahan's my way or the highway won out over a basic understanding of human nature.

For about 15 years, the nickname that Mike Shanahan has had around NFL circles is "My Way Mike". He has NEVER been a student of human nature or a man willing to meet someone even close to "halfway" when there is a difference of opinion. If you do not like "The Shanahan Solution" to a problem, then you need to go and find some other place to live/work/play where other folks will give a horse's ass about what you think or feel.

That is who he has been; that is who he is; that is who he is going to continue to be...

If that does not work for you as a fan, suck it up because that is what you will have to deal with for the next several years - - - unless Danny Boy reverts to his previously demonstrated meddling behaviors. Now that is an option Redskins' fans do not even need to contemplate...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

For about 15 years, the nickname that Mike Shanahan has had around NFL circles is "My Way Mike". He has NEVER been a student of human nature or a man willing to meet someone even close to "halfway" when there is a difference of opinion. If you do not like "The Shanahan Solution" to a problem, then you need to go and find some other place to live/work/play where other folks will give a horse's ass about what you think or feel.

That is who he has been; that is who he is; that is who he is going to continue to be...

If that does not work for you as a fan, suck it up because that is what you will have to deal with for the next several years - - - unless Danny Boy reverts to his previously demonstrated meddling behaviors. Now that is an option Redskins' fans do not even need to contemplate...

Well this isn't really an argument in support of Shanahan's handling of Haynesworth, it's simply a "no duh, what did you expect" post.

What anyone expected Shanahan to do is not the point. The point is what should have been done. Just because everyone knows that Shanahan is always a rigid disciplinarian doesn't mean it's always the right way to handle situations.

Look back at the great Joe Gibbs. When Riggo was showing up hungover and half drunk you didn't hear Gibbs making a stink about it, even though he was regarded as being a tough discipline guy. He made exceptions, he understood human nature, and most of all he designed his system around the talents of his players and put them in position to be successful.

I don't like when a coach has a system and rigidly sticks to it. If you have a player of Albert's caliber, it seems that if you're worth your weight as a defensive mind you could find a way to use him as a havoc-wreaker. I'll bet that's what Belichick does.

Is Albert to blame here? Absolutely. I would have supported Shanahan if he benched him again this season for non-compliance. But to trade him away for a 5th round pick? I think he could have remained a rigid SOB without trading Haynesworth; eventually Albert would have decided he'd rather his legacy be one of dominance on the field rather than pouting off of it.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well this isn't really an argument in support of Shanahan's handling of Haynesworth, it's simply a "no duh, what did you expect" post.

What anyone expected Shanahan to do is not the point. The point is what should have been done. Just because everyone knows that Shanahan is always a rigid disciplinarian doesn't mean it's always the right way to handle situations.

Look back at the great Joe Gibbs. When Riggo was showing up hungover and half drunk you didn't hear Gibbs making a stink about it, even though he was regarded as being a tough discipline guy. He made exceptions, he understood human nature, and most of all he designed his system around the talents of his players and put them in position to be successful.

I don't like when a coach has a system and rigidly sticks to it. If you have a player of Albert's caliber, it seems that if you're worth your weight as a defensive mind you could find a way to use him as a havoc-wreaker. I'll bet that's what Belichick does.

Is Albert to blame here? Absolutely. I would have supported Shanahan if he benched him again this season for non-compliance. But to trade him away for a 5th round pick? I think he could have remained a rigid SOB without trading Haynesworth; eventually Albert would have decided he'd rather his legacy be one of dominance on the field rather than pouting off of it.

doubtful, pretty sure thats why this thread exists. although i do agree with you on the majority of your post

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Was he a fraud in Tennessee? Even POS people like Haynesworth have motivations.

He played huge in Tennessee because he was proud and wanted money. He came here and got his money and sat back like a POS.

But now he knows, if I don't get my ass in gear for Belichick nobody in the league will take me again and I'll be done. Shanahan could have sat on him until he came around to that same conclusion here.

The only way it goes bad in New England is if they extend him and give him a huge payday. Otherwise, just keep giving him the TO non-guaranteed type deal, and he'll shred offensive lines.

We blew this big time. Shanahan's my way or the highway won out over a basic understanding of human nature.

I'm surprised you're down with letting a player dictate things over the team. AH was the perfect example of what was wrong with the Skins under Vinny and Danny's control. The classic me guy. What this team needed was a little my way or the highway type of attitude. Shanahan stepped into an even bigger mess than I think he even realized before he took the job. And as we can see he's performing a major overhaul of the roster, getting rid of the headcases and me guys, and bringing in guys that have traits such as leadership, work ethic, effort, hustle, team, etc. Everything that AH did not represent.

AH was the one that blew this by not falling in line and playing ball the way a true pro is supposed to do, and paid to do. Again I can't figure out why you're on this bum's side. I know you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but you've lost some cred points on this one with me.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm surprised you're down with letting a player dictate things over the team. AH was the perfect example of what was wrong with the Skins under Vinny and Danny's control. The classic me guy. What this team needed was a little my way or the highway type of attitude. Shanahan stepped into an even bigger mess than I think he even realized before he took the job. And as we can see he's performing a major overhaul of the roster, getting rid of the headcases and me guys, and bringing in guys that have traits such as leadership, work ethic, effort, hustle, team, etc. Everything that AH did not represent.

AH was the one that blew this by not falling in line and playing ball the way a true pro is supposed to do, and paid to do. Again I can't figure out why you're on this bum's side. I know you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but you've lost some cred points on this one with me.

This is not arguing for its own sake, this is just me being right. If I cared about cred points, they'll be restored as soon as Albert gets his 10th sack this season playing next to Wilfork.

I do agree that you want your team buying into a disciplined philosophy and falling in line behind the leadership. But you can get that accomplished by sitting his ass on the bench until he decides to fall in line.

He didn't have leverage in the situation, there were plenty of seasons left on his contract.

Granted, there is a cost. You have to carry $5.4 million in cap space for a player who may continue to pout. And the locker room has to deal with the distraction. But we'd have been better off in the long run incurring that cost until he came around, rather than trading him for a measly 5th round pick two years from now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is not arguing for its own sake, this is just me being right. If I cared about cred points, they'll be restored as soon as Albert gets his 10th sack this season playing next to Wilfork.

I do agree that you want your team buying into a disciplined philosophy and falling in line behind the leadership. But you can get that accomplished by sitting his ass on the bench until he decides to fall in line.

He didn't have leverage in the situation, there were plenty of seasons left on his contract.

Granted, there is a cost. You have to carry $5.4 million in cap space for a player who may continue to pout. And the locker room has to deal with the distraction. But we'd have been better off in the long run incurring that cost until he came around, rather than trading him for a measly 5th round pick two years from now.

I think it's up for debate as to who is right or wrong. I know you like to proclaim yourself right like that ends the debate, but there were a couple of options Shanahan had and his choice was to cut our losses and get him out of our hair.

I don't think it should be underestimated how much the distraction factor plays in here. You could see that guys were clearly worn out talking about this last year and when Rak showed up to camp this year he basically said enough is enough, we can't have this again.

In order to truly move forward, I think it was best to get rid of all the distractions and all the things that handcuffed this team in the past. Whether it was poor attitudes, performance, work ethic, etc. One bad apple tends to spoil the bunch and AH was definitely rotten from that perspective.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is not arguing for its own sake, this is just me being right. If I cared about cred points, they'll be restored as soon as Albert gets his 10th sack this season playing next to Wilfork.

I do agree that you want your team buying into a disciplined philosophy and falling in line behind the leadership. But you can get that accomplished by sitting his ass on the bench until he decides to fall in line.

He didn't have leverage in the situation, there were plenty of seasons left on his contract.

Granted, there is a cost. You have to carry $5.4 million in cap space for a player who may continue to pout. And the locker room has to deal with the distraction. But we'd have been better off in the long run incurring that cost until he came around, rather than trading him for a measly 5th round pick two years from now.

he probably will do better in new england stat wise, although while playing here his stats wern't bad either, but as you said he will be playing next to wilfork, not carter and carriker.

and the second part of your statement makes no sense, the locker room has to deal with it? they had to deal with it last year and it was a huge distraction and it effected the team in a negative way. why would you want this to continue, for a half dozen sacks a year? i'd rather have a uniform team with everyone on the same page striving for one goal together.

and yoiur biggest flaw through out your entire arguement is that we would have to wait for hanyesworth to come around, how do you know this happens, because form all acounts of this guy he has no intergrity or heart and would never come around.

you usually have a good argument and a leg to stand on, but in this case i just don't get it, kinda like driving slow in the left lane

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Lard Butt

“With the contract, it's going to be all on me,” he said. “What they want me to come here and do is play football and be disruptive, do what I do, so that’s what I've come here to do. When you get on the field, you're not thinking about dollar signs or anything like that, you're just going out there to play. It's a lot of money, but honestly, I put more pressure on myself than what the contract will do.
“I have such high standards for myself that, you know, [Snyder] can pay me half a billion dollars, and it still would have been the pressure I put on myself. I expect myself to play at a high level and to dominate. And if I’m not making plays, then people around me are making plays. As far as the number, I mean, yeah, it's great. It’s awesome, don’t get me wrong, but as far as the pressure, no.”

[SirClintonPortis]

Haynesworth responds only well under the Laissez-Faire leadership style.
Shanahan almost solely employs the autocratic leadership style.
It's quite clear that the incompatibility will not be fixed.

And Schneed really thinks he understands human nature, but trashes psychologists.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Haynesworth responds only well under the Laissez-Faire leadership style.
Shanahan almost solely employs the autocratic leadership style.
It's quite clear that the incompatibility will not be fixed.

And Schneed really thinks he understands human nature, but trashes psychologists.

I think he responds to attention. His line coach in Tennessee was tough on him but in exchange they essentially designed the whole defense around him. In Washington he had two coaches that were basically saying "this is how we run our defense, sure we might design a play or two for you but we'll be damned if we design the whole thing to make you happy."