Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Agree. This was an obvious Patriots rip-off.

While there is obvious hidden value in keeping him out of the division, the belief in such value is an admission that the player in question makes any defensive front better. It was kind of like the Favre saga of 2008: the Packers eventually did get value on him, but if they really believed in Aaron Rodgers, they should have just released Favre and let him go to Minnesota. Problem was: they didn't really believe in Aaron Rodgers, they just believed Favre was done or near done.

If the Redskins really believed they were right that Haynesworth creates more problems for a defensive scheme than he solves, they should have released him and let Philadelphia take him. But obviously, they did not believe that. And this was a sell low job with that contract.

I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again!

Very good post.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again!

I still believe that the Redskins could and should have gotten an elite player out of an elite player. And my big point was: that the Redskins clearly agreed with you about Haynesworth. That's why they didn't let him got to Philly and come and dominate us twice a year for the next two years.

It's just all very disappointing in the end. I think saying we had nothing in Haynesworth is true in the nominal sense, but the Redskins have no one to blame but themselves from that. Unfortunately, "themselves" starts with Cerrato/Zorn/Sherm Smith, and finished with Shanahan/Allen/Haslett. Lots of people to blame for this trade, every one of them part of the Redskins coaching staff or management.

Haynesworth is responsible for being despised by his Redskin teammates, but that shouldn't have affected his trade value much.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I still believe that the Redskins could and should have gotten an elite player out of an elite player. And my big point was: that the Redskins clearly agreed with you about Haynesworth. That's why they didn't let him got to Philly and come and dominate us twice a year for the next two years.

It's just all very disappointing in the end. I think saying we had nothing in Haynesworth is true in the nominal sense, but the Redskins have no one to blame but themselves from that. Unfortunately, "themselves" starts with Cerrato/Zorn/Sherm Smith, and finished with Shanahan/Allen/Haslett. Lots of people to blame for this trade, every one of them part of the Redskins coaching staff or management.

Haynesworth is responsible for being despised by his Redskin teammates, but that shouldn't have affected his trade value much.

I don't think you'll find much disagreement that this saga ended on a bad note and that it would have been much more preferable that we received an elite player in exchange for Haynesworth. When Haynesworth arrived in Washington D.C. he was an elite player. The player that New England is not an elite player. There's no way you or anyone else can convince me of that.

But...

I lay the blame at the feet of Mike Shanahan. His mismanagement of the situation devalued Haynesworth's worth and caused his stock to plummet around the league. Had we cut ties with AH much earlier, I think we could have possibly gotten a second or third rounder in return. The longer this dragged out, the less we could command in return. That along with the optics of Hayneworth flailing on the ground during the Philly game while Mike Vick made swiss cheese of our defense and getting suspended didn't help matters all.

Under the circumstances, a 5th rounder is the best we could have hoped for. The genius of Belichick is knowing when to buy and knowing when to sell. He's better than a day trader that has perfected market movements.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I disagree....

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again!

Great post JR. I'll add, why would you give AH a chance to stick it to us twice a year, give Philly any inside info (not that he was paying any attention in meetings), let him go to a place where he wants to go (Philly), and take away from our team chemistry with all the distractions.

No question he has potential to be dominant, but keep him out of conference just in case he decides to be motivated. I'm sure NE will dump him as soon as he acts up (or takes a mid-game nap), which is just a matter of time.

F that fat load of $hit, I wish him nothing but ill will and misfortune.