Chris Chester Signs

[GTripp0012]

I think Bruce Allen is a good executive (he's won exec of the year before in the NFL), and I think there's plenty of evidence from this offseason if you want to see he's a good executive.

But overpaying Bowen and Chester is overpaying Bowen and Chester. Allen's thing is good contracts, and he's lived up to the hype so far, but his last two signings are not good, team-friendly contracts.

It's still way too early to limit the parallels between Vinny Cerrato's show and Mike Shanahan's show. If Shanahan is different, he'll win more games. Two years under Cerrato, we averaged six wins per year. One year under Shanahan, we won six games. If our current executives are better than our prior ones, it will show in the results. I promise.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Bruce Allen is a good executive (he's won exec of the year before in the NFL), and I think there's plenty of evidence from this offseason if you want to see he's a good executive.

But overpaying Bowen and Chester is overpaying Bowen and Chester. Allen's thing is good contracts, and he's lived up to the hype so far, but his last two signings are not good, team-friendly contracts.

It's still way too early to limit the parallels between Vinny Cerrato's show and Mike Shanahan's show. If Shanahan is different, he'll win more games. Two years under Cerrato, we averaged six wins per year. One year under Shanahan, we won six games. If our current executives are better than our prior ones, it will show in the results. I promise.

GTripp, I heard somewhere that with this new floor, salary contracts this offseason would be a bit inflated and that teams would overpay for players. Do you think this is true?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

GTripp, I heard somewhere that with this new floor, salary contracts this offseason would be a bit inflated and that teams would overpay for players. Do you think this is true?

There is no legislative incentive in 2011 for GMs to overpay players.

In the Redskins case, they enter 6 PM tonight with practically no player salary, so no one was saying they shouldn't spend money that they have. If I wanted to root for a penny pinching franchise, there's always the Bengals. But the cap freedom should just mean the freedom to make a bunch of good contracts that are team friendly and don't have to be structured with a limit in mind. The Redskins took on what appears to be two bad contracts in Bowen and Chester (I say appears because I haven't seen details on the Chester deal).

They are still no where near the 2011 salary cap for the record.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Bruce Allen is a good executive (he's won exec of the year before in the NFL), and I think there's plenty of evidence from this offseason if you want to see he's a good executive.

But overpaying Bowen and Chester is overpaying Bowen and Chester. Allen's thing is good contracts, and he's lived up to the hype so far, but his last two signings are not good, team-friendly contracts.

It's still way too early to limit the parallels between Vinny Cerrato's show and Mike Shanahan's show. If Shanahan is different, he'll win more games. Two years under Cerrato, we averaged six wins per year. One year under Shanahan, we won six games. If our current executives are better than our prior ones, it will show in the results. I promise.

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

I don't see why we would wait until their on the field considering the execs don't have that benefit.

I do want to see the structure of the Chester deal. I'm not afraid to change my judgement instantly if its different than what I'm expecting, see: the McNabb extension.

I'll just point out that paying backups like starters was the mistake made in 2006. That was the mistake with Lloyd, Randle El, Fauria, not their lack of talent, necessarily. Randle El actually ended up a pretty good player here, but he never did shake the stigma of the contract he signed.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shouldn't we at least wait to see how they pan out on the field before determining if they are bad contracts or not. Plus we don't know how the contracts are even structured.

I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just kind of get the feeling that it's just the same old same old. The only move I really like is Cofield. He's at least shown he's a baller. The other guys are sort of so so. Let's sign guys and see who sticks. However I assume cause of the cap that we have to spend money? Is that correct since we're so far under the cap?

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

Cofield has played nose tackle before. Just because the Giants have been running a 4-3 recently doesn't mean Cofield doesn't fit our scheme. He's over 300 pounds but is quick and gets to the QB. He'll do fine in the middle.



Here's a nice article/discussion about him:

Snide Debate: Is Barry Cofield The Answer for 25th Ranked Defense? - Hogs Haven


More:
Barry Cofield Signs With Redskins « CBS Washington

NFL Rumors: Washington Redskins Agree to Terms with Giants DT Barry Cofield | Bleacher Report

Redskins could use Barry Cofield in a number of ways - Hard Hits - The Washington Post

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Cofield has played nose tackle before. Just because the Giants have been running a 4-3 recently doesn't mean Cofield doesn't fit our scheme. He's over 300 pounds but is quick and gets to the QB. He'll do fine in the middle.

Yes, but he's been a 4-3 DT for the Giants for his entire career. I'm sure he could be a fine NT, but once again if you are going to spend money you want someone that doesn't need to re-learn the position and/or needing to gain 20-30 lbs.

I'm not sh*tting on the signing, but I would have signed either Bowen or Cofield, and sign a NT with experience in a 3-4 position (i.e. Franklin).

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yes, but he's been a 4-3 DT for the Giants for his entire career. I'm sure he could be a fine NT, but once again if you are going to spend money you want someone that doesn't need to re-learn the position and/or needing to gain 20-30 lbs.

I'm not sh*tting on the signing, but I would have signed either Bowen or Cofield, and sign a NT with experience in a 3-4 position (i.e. Franklin).

I like that Cofield and J. Jenkins have the skills where they can at least rotate in at NT throughout the course of a game.

Our D-line went from being a really weak spot to having a lot of pretty good players. Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Cofield, Bryant, Holliday. I like where they are at WAY more than where the were last season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's funny that you mention Cofield, b/c I see his signing somewhat similar to what we have done before, sign a FA that doesn't fit our scheme. Otherwise, I don't see how these signings are similar to the busts we have had before.

they're not haynesworth, archaletta type of signings but it's obvious they're trying to win now instead of trying to build something. cofield is a good player and i assmue they're going to put him in positions where he'll be able to make plays. wilson is coming from a weak balt. secondary. throwing a lot of money to a career back up DE is not a good move, throwing money to chester, who was benched by balt isn't smart. then bringing in two more journeymen wr's when you drafted guys also doesn't make sense. we'll see how it shakes out but history shows that signing a lot of free agents doesn't work.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

they're not haynesworth, archaletta type of signings but it's obvious they're trying to win now instead of trying to build something. cofield is a good player and i assmue they're going to put him in positions where he'll be able to make plays. wilson is coming from a weak balt. secondary. throwing a lot of money to a career back up DE is not a good move, throwing money to chester, who was benched by balt isn't smart. then bringing in two more journeymen wr's when you drafted guys also doesn't make sense. we'll see how it shakes out but history shows that signing a lot of free agents doesn't work.

Bowen was on the verge of becoming a starter in Dallas. I can probably agree with you about Chester, I would have rather them throw money to Yanda, a much better. And I wouldn't take many of the WRs signings very serious.

A lot of the guys they've signed are in the mid to late 20s, much different than the older guys they used to go for. If they wanted to win now, they would have bet the farm for Kolb or Orton or Palmer, have paid a ton of money for Franklin or Nnamdi. Heck, they could've given a lot of money to Jenkins.

I am not going to say that all the signings have been great and that we are going to the SB. But a lot of these moves seem to be much better than anything we've done in the past, and that includes last year.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Bowen was on the verge of becoming a starter in Dallas. I can probably agree with you about Chester, I would have rather them throw money to Yanda, a much better. And I wouldn't take many of the WRs signings very serious.

A lot of the guys they've signed are in the mid to late 20s, much different than the older guys they used to go for. If they wanted to win now, they would have bet the farm for Kolb or Orton or Palmer, have paid a ton of money for Franklin or Nnamdi. Heck, they could've given a lot of money to Jenkins.

I am not going to say that all the signings have been great and that we are going to the SB. But a lot of these moves seem to be much better than anything we've done in the past, and that includes last year.

yanda was never coming here. he didn't want to, and his current team was going to pay him, so no use wishing on it now. If i had the choice, I'd choose yanda too, but it was never a serious option from everything i've read.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I am not going to say that all the signings have been great and that we are going to the SB. But a lot of these moves seem to be much better than anything we've done in the past, and that includes last year.

I think this is the key point. You have to have good players at every spot, and then bring in a couple of superstars. We're rebuilding, so we need to get team full of good (not great) team players. Over the next few years we should develop, draft or get the superstar FA's. But these signings so far have been good to bolster us overall. Every good team out there have a couple of superstars, and then a bunch of "good" team players.

Like what we've done on defense so far. Think we overpaid the D-linemen, but we still have money to spend. Disappointed in getting little for McNabb after giving up 2/3rd picks last year, but happy to get something for Haynesworth.

Still need O-linemen. Remember, FA only begins in 30 minutes.