What If?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

This was sort of touched on the day of the draft. The only way i see Ramsey staying at the end of his contract is if there just isn't any team really after him. If I were PR I would bail. The Skins FO/coachs have shown no loyality or belief in him at all.

If he does pretty well this year he still could get pushed out of the way for the 5th year of his contract if the FO doesn't think they can resign. Plus there will be presure to show that they didn't waste all those picks on Campbell. I think the FO will really show what they are thinking by the size and scope of Campbells contract.

Yes and no, I think the only one in the organazation that hasen't been loyal to Ramsey is Gibbs, not that he owed Patrick anything, I just feel Gibbs pretty much brushed Patrick aside last year without giving him any real consideration. Remember Patrick is Danny's boy, he drafted him, Snyder also didn't want Brunell in here either, and in all liklyhood it was because he believed in Patrick, but as of now the organazation stop's with Gibbs, so yes Patrick has to do backflip's to get some respect from Gibbs.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

Yes and no, I think the only one in the organazation that hasen't been loyal to Ramsey is Gibbs, not that he owed Patrick anything, I just feel Gibbs pretty much brushed Patrick aside last year without giving him any real consideration. Remember Patrick is Danny's boy, he drafted him, Snyder also didn't want Brunell in here either, and in all liklyhood it was because he believed in Patrick, but as of now the organazation stop's with Gibbs, so yes Patrick has to do backflip's to get some respect from Gibbs.

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

I totaly agree, that was the same point I made in my post. He was given the opportunity and he just failed to make the most of it. I just hope he can prove himself this year and solidify the starting roll and we don't have to have these threeds about who our starting QB is for the next six to seven years. We as a team need to have a solid satrter and leader to build around. Not this who sould we try next year end and year out.

[Red Robert]

What we want here is a Drew Brees situation. If Ramsey blows up that is what we all want. Take us to the playoffs, let Campbell develop. I worry about 2006 when it comes. I just hope Ramsey gets it done. This is a problem I would be happy to have.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Loyal?
Didn't Ramsey have a terrible preseason? Didn't Brunell play better than Ramsey during the preseason? Gibbs even gave Ramsey a start or two in the preseason and gave him a fair /even chance at the starting position. When it was time for Ramsey to prove himself ON THE FIELD, he failed miserably this last preseason.
Loyalty has to be earned. You do not get loyalty just because you are a first round pick. IF it worked that way we would still have Heath Shuler as our starter and we would have never drafted Ramsey.

I agree, Ramsey didn't do much to convince the staff last preseason that he should be the starter. Neither did Brunell, difference was Brunell was a proven vet and for Gibbs that meant alot.

Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

.....Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

I agree, and Ramsey earned/proved that to Gibbs on the playing field. Something Ramsey could not do last preseason.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, Ramsey didn't do much to convince the staff last preseason that he should be the starter. Neither did Brunell, difference was Brunell was a proven vet and for Gibbs that meant alot.

Now coming into camp this year, Ramsey has proven that he can operate Gibbs' offense and he's begun to be a guy the staff believes can lead the team.

Exactly! What did Brunell do in the pre-season to establish himself over Ramsey? I will tell you, 1 long TD pass to McCant's, did McCants establish himself in the pre-season? Yes, did he play? No, The fact that Brunell played as bad as he did in the pre-season being the veteran that he is should have raised a red flag in Gibbs mind. On the other hand Ramsey was a young QB trying to learn a new offence which Joey T. said would take at least 6 to 10 games to really understand, I guess the same went for Brunell.

I agree with Matty that Gibbs comfort level was with a veteran, but as we saw it may take a veteran just as long to learn Gibbs offense as a youngster. As it turns out Brunell was a horrible signing, Gibbs should have shown a little more confidence in Ramsey from day 1 we would be much farther along as a team if he did, We would have a much better gauge of Ramsey as a QB in his system, and would have a better idea of where we stand as a team, it also may have prevented us from throwing away next years draft on Campbell.

Basically the same old, either your for Ramsey or against him. I just think Ramsey will be a tremendous QB for us givin the chance, but I know there are plenty here that will disagree, nothing wrong with that, once the season starts we then find out who had it right, difference of opinion makes this a lot of fun!