How far can Beck take us?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good points about Newsome and Parcells regarding Beck. Those two are some of the best personnell minds in the game. Them letting Beck go for next to nothing definitely says something.

Are they good points really?

Parcells is a good personnel guy when it comes to OL/DL/LB, but I wouldn't call him some guru on QBs. None of his QBs have been really worth noting. (Simms?..lol, Bledsoe?..lol, Hostetler?...lol) and it took him forever to finally bench Bledsoe for Tony Romo.


Same can be said with Newsome. He's great at the other positions (OL,DB,LB,DL,RB), but lets not make them out to be some QB gurus. Dilfer?...lol Banks?...lol Grbac?...lol Boeller?...lol Hell, even now, we are seeing their prime young QB fail when it matters most. The jury is still out on Flacco at this point in time.


I would value Shannahan/Reid/Holmgren opinion on QBs more than I would Parcells/Newsome.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are they good points really?

Parcells is a good personnel guy when it comes to OL/DL/LB, but I wouldn't call him some guru on QBs. None of his QBs have been really worth noting. (Simms?..lol, Bledsoe?..lol, Hostetler?...lol) and it took him forever to finally bench Bledsoe for Tony Romo.


Same can be said with Newsome. He's great at the other positions (OL,DB,LB,DL,RB), but lets not make them out to be some QB gurus. Dilfer?...lol Banks?...lol Grbac?...lol Boeller?...lol Hell, even now, we are seeing their prime young QB fail when it matters most. The jury is still out on Flacco at this point in time.


I would value Shannahan/Reid/Holmgren opinion on QBs more than I would Parcells/Newsome.

You're kidding me right? Phil Simms was a damn good NFL Qb. So was Drew Bledsoe. They were both very good. If you don't think those guys were not good then I can't respect your football IQ.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're kidding me right? Phil Simms was a damn good NFL Qb. So was Drew Bledsoe. They were both very good. If you don't think those guys were not good then I can't respect your football IQ.

Bledsoe took an AVG Pats team to the SB and Simms has won a SB.. I think they were both really good NTM Romo is a solid player also

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Bledsoe took an AVG Pats team to the SB and Simms has won a SB.. I think they were both really good NTM Romo is a solid player also

Dilfer also won a Super Bowl. Yup, had nothing to do with the defenses carrying those offenses eh? Nah, the Giants didn't have one of only NFL defensive players ever to win the MVP award(1 other one).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're kidding me right? Phil Simms was a damn good NFL Qb. So was Drew Bledsoe. They were both very good. If you don't think those guys were not good then I can't respect your football IQ.

I'll might be willing to give you Bledsoe, but Phil Simms no. Dude's average QB rating is BELOW 80.

Also, looking at Bledsoe even further. His completion % sucked balls and has a career QB rating of 77. Sure he may have thrown many seasons with 20+ TDs, but he also had a ton of INTs to go along. That and he was a statue that took sacks instead of being able to avoid them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'll might be willing to give you Bledsoe, but Phil Simms no. Dude's average QB rating is BELOW 80.

Also, looking at Bledsoe even further. His completion % sucked balls and has a career QB rating of 77. Sure he may have thrown many seasons with 20+ TDs, but he also had a ton of INTs to go along. That and he was a statue that took sacks instead of being able to avoid them.

You simply can not compare numbers of today to the mid 90's or 80's. You just can't because it's become a pass happy league where teams run a lot more 4-5 wr sets. The illegal contact rule has become a major issue. It's just harder to defend the pass today than it was 10 years ago.

You obviously never saw Phil Simms play cause you're judging him on a silly rating. If you put him in todays offenses his numbers would be MUCH better cause he was such an accurate mid range passer. He also played for a run first coach who wanted the TE to be the focal point of the offense. Yes Bledsoe was a statue, he played for some bad teams, but how many QB's threw for more yardage than him? Probably a handful? You don't do that unless you've got serious skills. So again, neither was a geat Qb, but they certainly were very good to good, and I'd bet the guys that played with and against them would agree with me and not you.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You obviously never saw Phil Simms play cause you're judging him on a silly rating..

I assure you, I've watched him play. I can't tell you how many times I've cursed the name Mark Bravaro. That guy ****ing destroyed us each and every game. I'm not saying he was bad, just nothing that impressed me that much. Jim Kelly was a better QB in my opinion and so were a few other QBs during that era.