University of Miami Football Program

[CultBrennan59]

There F*cked. Plan and simple. SMU had less allegations than them, and less people that they dealt with. Rocky McIntosh, Sean Taylor, maybe Santana, maybe Clinton had to do with some of his dealings. Now I think they'll get the same thing USC got, but a little more worse, but not as bad as what SMU got, because, the NCAA realized how lopsided it was that they messed with SMU's program for a long, long time, and quiet frankly SMU still hasn't recovered from that death penalty.

[itvnetop]

We ain't no "U" at SC

"Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word 'Hypocrite.'"

Bravo, Mr. Mandel.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

We ain't no "U" at SC

"Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word 'Hypocrite.'"

Bravo, Mr. Mandel.

Some people are saying that Miami should avoid the "death penalty." I say why? It's one thing if players are sneaking benefits behind the back of coaches and administrators. It's another thing when multiple sports with not only players but numerous coaches and even the PRESIDENT of the University taking money (see Donna Shahala's pic accepting a $50K check from Shapiro) from this sleazeball...

My point is, it's not just the players who are at fault, it's the coaches and head administrators at The U who not only looked the other way, but reaped the benefits as well. That program should go the way of the DoDo.

The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.

So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change.

idealy, those that don't take the warning and clean up immediately should get ban hammered.


If the NCAA wants to fix how it does business, that's fine, but if you never start enforcing your rules, then no one is ever going to follow them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So when this is Florida in two years, do we just lather-rinse-repeat? Punish Miami now, then gradually hit every SEC school one by one? Or should we actually solve the institutional problem that is the NCAA is completely useless as a force for positive change.

I agree about your comments that the NCAA is useless here, but when you say "we," who do you mean? Who has oversight over the NCAA? No one really. Like that guy said, until they start enforcing their own rules, nothing is going to change.

For those of you who mention Florida, yeah, if this happened there I would be sick to my stomach as an alumnus, but I would expect the harshest of punishments.

Anyway, given that the NCAA is all about $, when you look at the massive deal the SEC just inked with ESPN, I'd be surprised if any of your SEC bellcow programs get in big trouble any time soon. And that's wrong.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Some people are saying that Miami should avoid the "death penalty." I say why? It's one thing if players are sneaking benefits behind the back of coaches and administrators. It's another thing when multiple sports with not only players but numerous coaches and even the PRESIDENT of the University taking money (see Donna Shahala's pic accepting a $50K check from Shapiro) from this sleazeball...

My point is, it's not just the players who are at fault, it's the coaches and head administrators at The U who not only looked the other way, but reaped the benefits as well. That program should go the way of the DoDo.

The NCAA has an epidemic on their hands. They need to put their foot down. This is one of the more disgraceful stories I can ever remember reading.

I agree with you, but ask you to implore the scenario that the same thing could be going on at Florida, because it's certainly not limited to teams like Miami, USC, etc. If that is the case, are you prepared for Florida to face extremely harsh penalties like Miami is about to receive?

I feel like it's a little hypocritical of the NCAA to act like it's individual schools that are doing this, but in reality it's probably widespread amongst all the big name schools. The system needs to be fixed, and I don't think the NCAA is prepared to accept it.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by mooby

I agree with you, but ask you to implore the scenario that the same thing could be going on at Florida, because it's certainly not limited to teams like Miami, USC, etc. If that is the case, are you prepared for Florida to face extremely harsh penalties like Miami is about to receive?

I feel like it's a little hypocritical of the NCAA to act like it's individual schools that are doing this, but in reality it's probably widespread amongst all the big name schools. The system needs to be fixed, and I don't think the NCAA is prepared to accept it.

"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.

They won't even fix the BCS let alone the under the table deals that programs across the country use to "get an edge." NCAA is a terrible authority. Like some sort of messed up government where lassie-fare meets a dictatorship.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

"Fixing" it would essentially kill the money-making machine that it is. Hard to realistically see it any other way.

Pretty much. That's why I doubt anything will change. Miami will get harsh punishment, life will go on, and we'll forget about this until the next school gets charged.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mooby

Pretty much. That's why I doubt anything will change. Miami will get harsh punishment, life will go on, and we'll forget about this until the next school gets charged.

And history suggest that Miami will one day be a powerhouse again, though it may take like 10 years. (See Alabama suspension).