Camp Battles- The journey to 53

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by saden1

Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by That Guy

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

Hankerson was a 3rd rounder and even if he was later I think he would still make this years roster just because of his upside.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.

I'd take that bet.

We don't have another WR that adjusts as well to the ball as santana, and he's been productive. I think austin may creep onto the field before pauls blows it up, and i really haven't seen much out of robinson to think much either way.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

you just compare a hall of fame returner to banks?