US Infects Guatemalans With Syphilis During 1940s Experiments

[JoeRedskin]

It was horrible and wrong, but, with that said: Communism, National Socialism, Western European Liberal Democracy.

Feel free to rank them from best to worst in protecting individual rights and "doing good" in the world.

Look, we have many blotches in our past. Unlike many other societies, we are able to say "Oops - we screwed up". Sometimes it takes a while and there may be some hand ringing, but, ultimately, we are okay with fessing up to our imperfections, recognizing them as imperfections and trying to prevent them from happening again. Many in Japan, for example, are in denial about its "Rape of Nanking" (most acknowledge it).

We aren't perfect. At least we admit it.

[saden1]

For the crown of the most sinful nation in the history of the world America is in direct line of succession. Though knowing there are less perfect and more sinful members of the royal family ahead of us make one feel at ease.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

For the crown of the most sinful nation in the history of the world America is in direct line of succession. Though knowing there are less perfect and more sinful members of the royal family ahead of us make one feel at ease.

Not even close.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not even close.

Only because you sell America short.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Only because you sell America short.

Outside of our participation in WWI, WWII and the Korean War, please show me where we rank on the list of 20th Century atrocities.

In a way, it's rather disheartening to realize that we can't smugly blame the brutality of the century on the Communists, or the imperialists, or the Moslem fundamentalists, or the godless. Every major category of human has done it's share to boost the body count, so replacing, say, Moslem rulers with Christian rulers, or white rulers with black rulers, is not going to change it at all.

Twentieth Century Atlas - Top Ranked Atrocities

Yet, with that said, there is nothing on the list to show a major bloodletting caused by the US.

Comparisons of this despicable action to the Nazis devalues the evil caused by the dehumanization of "non-aryans" by German National Socialists and the concommit genocidal and meglomaniacal killings. The "ideal" of the Nazis was a world dominated by the Master Race; the "ideal" of the US, however, is a world where individual rights are respected and basic human rights are assured (Read the preamble and the Bill of Rights).

Fortunately, the Nazis failed in accomplishing their goal. Unfortunately, due to human imperfection, the US's goal is impossible to accomplish. In our world, utopian societies of any significant size do not, can not and will not ever exist.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Outside of our participation in WWI, WWII and the Korean War, please show me where we rank on the list of 20th Century atrocities.




Twentieth Century Atlas - Top Ranked Atrocities

Yet, with that said, there is nothing on the list to show a major bloodletting caused by the US.

Comparisons of this despicable action to the Nazis devalues the evil caused by the dehumanization of "non-aryans" by German National Socialists and the concommit genocidal and meglomaniacal killings. The "ideal" of the Nazis was a world dominated by the Master Race; the "ideal" of the US, however, is a world where individual rights are respected and basic human rights are assured (Read the preamble and the Bill of Rights).

Fortunately, the Nazis failed in accomplishing their goal. Unfortunately, due to human imperfection, the US's goal is impossible to accomplish. In our world, utopian societies of any significant size do not, can not and will not ever exist.

Great posts Joe. Unfortunately you won't change people's minds. Those who love to bash America choose to ignore the truth, that despite our past shortcomings (which have almost all been corrected over time) we are the greatest force for individual freedom and good the world has ever seen.

Another beauty of this country.....it's citizens are free to leave any time they like.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by saden1

Only because you sell America short.

For all its many faults at least the U.S. has checks and balances in place, unlike most of the World.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

For all its many faults at least the U.S. has checks and balances in place, unlike most of the World.

In the face of money and ideology I can't honestly say our checks and balances matter as much anymore. The balance been tilting like The Leaning Tower of Pisa ever since its inception and the checks part, well, it has been sinking like The Titanic.

Complacency has set in. Statesmanship has decayed. Only rusting remains.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

In the face of money and ideology I can't honestly say our checks and balances matter as much anymore. The balance been tilting like The Leaning Tower of Pisa ever since its inception and the checks part, well, it has been sinking like The Titanic.

Complacency has set in. Statesmanship has decayed. Only rusting remains.

America Is Not The Titantic | FoxNews.com

"Nothing short of citizens one by one looking into the abyss and then into the mirror, and vowing “Not on my watch,” will begin to remedy the responsibility deficit and break the entitlement addiction that’s killing us.
But break it we can. America has been here before, remember. Written off by declinists in the 1970s, she came roaring back in the ‘80s after responsibility was reborn in the heartland. All of us are crew members on this voyage, not just passengers."