Who Can Lead This Team?

[Alvin Walton]

Rex Grossman and or John Beck is a placeholder.
They/he is just saving a seat on a bus until we get a franchise QB on the roster.
If Grossman gets a wild card, heck if he wins a wild card I still want to draft that franchise QB ASAP.

[KI Skins Fan]

We don't have a leadership gap; we have a talent gap. What will it take before you adjust to the reality that this is a team in the process of being rebuilt? Rex Grossman is not the QB that will lead us back to greatness. That player is not yet on the team. The one player on offense who can provide inspirational leadership through his performance is the QB. Again, he's not yet on the roster.

To rise to the level of the Gibbs I teams will take more time. Right now, the Redskins management is doing a very good job of building the foundation for greatness. We have a much improved team but we still need more pieces to be a perennial contender. Frankly, we need a couple of superstars on offense and the QB must be one of them.

The Franchise QB is the biggest piece of the puzzle that we lack at this time. There is nothing that can be done to make either Grossman or Beck much better than they are now. Deal with it. Some day we'll have the QB we need to lead us.

I'm pleased with where we are at this point. You should be, too. Be patient. After one or two more drafts and FA periods, we may be all the way back. In the meantime, I expect this team to continue to improve.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We don't have a leadership gap; we have a talent gap. What will it take before you adjust to the reality that this is a team in the process of being rebuilt? Rex Grossman is not the QB that will lead us back to greatness. That player is not yet on the team. The one player on offense who can provide inspirational leadership through his performance is the QB. Again, he's not yet on the roster.

To rise to the level of the Gibbs I teams will take more time. Right now, the Redskins management is doing a very good job of building the foundation for greatness. We have a much improved team but we still need more pieces to be a perennial contender. Frankly, we need a couple of superstars on offense and the QB must be one of them.

The Franchise QB is the biggest piece of the puzzle that we lack at this time. There is nothing that can be done to make either Grossman or Beck much better than they are now. Deal with it. Some day we'll have the QB we need to lead us.

I'm pleased with where we are at this point. You should be, too. Be patient. After one or two more drafts and FA periods, we may be all the way back. In the meantime, I expect this team to continue to improve.

Yup, exactly.

We have closed the gap on talent a bit this year, but there's still work to do.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

And I don't think Beck has it either.

On what, specifically, are you basing this assessment? The guy hasn't played enough, and in critical situations, for you to haphazardly toss out a statement like that without any detail.

What I saw from Grossman this game was a mirror image of every mality he possesses creeping up in the same game. He fumbled twice. I know the stats say once, but let's be honest. He takes too long to come off his first read, and in the process throws an interception on a underthrown pass in to the belly of Sean Lee because he didn't have space for his necessary hitch step. When he's flushed out of the pocket he looks like an oscillating fan searching for pressure instead of maintaining focus, keeping his eyes down field, and making a clutch improvisational play. At one point, during the game deciding fumble scramble, he actually slows down and looks at the sideline. (And I'm making a play for a new nickname for Grossman, "Tyrannosaurus Rex", because of his short vestigial arms, and the fact that he should have been extinct ages ago)There are obviously many more deficiencies in his game, but I could be here all day listing them.

Regarding Beck, from what I've recognized, which clearly has its limitations, he keeps his head up, eyes down field, works through his progressions quickly, senses blitz (as opposed to looking for it), he can glide away from pressure, he's mobile outside of the pocket, he's decisive when confronted with the prospect of free running real estate, his ball is sharp and has volocity, and most importantly Kyle seem to call a different game when Beck is under center. Or atleast you see more opportunities to stretch the field. But if you need someone to throw INTs, lose you games by fumbling away the ball in clutch situations, I'm sure he'd be willing to do that too, if you asked nicely. The dude deserves a shot.

[MTK]

Rex is what we thought he was.

He's going to throw dumb picks at times, he's going to fumble, he's not a superstar. That said I wouldn't bail on him anytime soon. He's shown he can be a productive player in this offense. Not sure I agree with all the heat he's taking today. There's more than enough blame to go around for last night.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rex is what we thought he was.

He's going to throw dumb picks at times, he's going to fumble, he's not a superstar. That said I wouldn't bail on him anytime soon. He's shown he can be a productive player in this offense. Not sure I agree with all the heat he's taking today. There's more than enough blame to go around for last night.

Just because you wouldn't "bail on him", doesn't mean we shouldn't. If this is an 8-8 season, which it seems like many people agree on, why not play Beck. We already know what we have in Grossman...a glorified backup.

And I agree there are plenty of other places to point the finger. But 2 redzone picks last week, another fumble, the "heat" is well placed.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Just because you wouldn't "bail on him", doesn't mean we shouldn't. If this is an 8-8 season, which it seems like many people agree on, why not play Beck. We already know what we have in Grossman...a glorified backup.

And I agree there are plenty of other places to point the finger. But 2 redzone picks last week, another fumble, the "heat" is well placed.

Because it's not all about the QB's development. The rest of the offense needs to develop its ability to make big plays. Putting Beck in might help his development but stunt the growth of other parts of our offense as a result.

Ultimately neither Rex nor Beck is the answer, and everyone (except those two) know it. That said, I think Rex's complete lack of conscience and memory probably helps develop the passing game more than we realize each week.

For example, right now, J.Campbell is allegedly a far superior QB according to those awful ESPN QBR stats. But they've won running McFadden into the ground and JC17 throwing short and sparingly. We've been there and done that, and I'm willing to bet when he DOES need to try and win a game with his arm, the team isn't going to be ready.

Think of Rex as simply a practice machine designed to give live game reps to our WRs, blockers and O-Line in the downfield vertical game, with some ball-hawk drills thrown in to spice it up, and you'll have a much calmer fan experience.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by dgack

Because it's not all about the QB's development. The rest of the offense needs to develop its ability to make big plays. Putting Beck in might help his development but stunt the growth of other parts of our offense as a result.

Ultimately neither Rex nor Beck is the answer, and everyone (except those two) know it. That said, I think Rex's complete lack of conscience and memory probably helps develop the passing game more than we realize each week.

For example, right now, J.Campbell is allegedly a far superior QB according to those awful ESPN QBR stats. But they've won running McFadden into the ground and JC17 throwing short and sparingly. We've been there and done that, and I'm willing to bet when he DOES need to try and win a game with his arm, the team isn't going to be ready.

Think of Rex as simply a practice machine designed to give live game reps to our WRs, blockers and O-Line in the downfield vertical game, with some ball-hawk drills thrown in to spice it up, and you'll have a much calmer fan experience.

Thanks for your concern for my sense of calm. I actually made a similar statement to a friend last night. In the vein of Rex being an automaton on the field, and my follow up to that statement was, "but humaniods rarely make mistakes". If that were the case, and he were less erratic with the ball, ala Jason Campbell, we would probably be staring at a 3 in the win column.

The fact that you infatically claim to know how Beck will play without the evidentiary material to back it up is pretty shortsighted.

I don't want a machine out there. I wanted someone with enough cognitive ability to be able to adapt and adjust to the situation on the fly. Do I know, unequivocally, that Beck can do that. No. But the point is I know Rex can't.

[MTK]

Is Beck really the long term answer though?

I'm all for giving him a shot if Rex strings together a few really bad outings or we're simply out of contention, just saying it's premature to be thinking about a change already.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Is Beck really the long term answer though?

I'm all for giving him a shot if Rex strings together a few really bad outings or we're simply out of contention, just saying it's premature to be thinking about a change already.

How many more bad outings do you need to see from this guy? It's obvious that he hasn't corrected the problems that have plagued him his entire career. If you, like these stubborn coaches, want to ride the Rex train until the wheels fall off, be my guest, but I refuse to jump on board with a guy who is the epitome of perpetual disappointment. I prefer to test the road less traveled.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

How many more bad outings do you need to see from this guy? It's obvious that he hasn't corrected the problems that have plagued him his entire career. If you, like these stubborn coaches, want to ride the Rex train until the wheels fall off, be my guest, but I refuse to jump on board with a guy who is the epitome of perpetual disappointment. I prefer to test the road less traveled.

More than 1.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

More than 1.

I guess "bad" is subjective.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I guess "bad" is subjective.

Guess so.

Amazing we started 2-0 with such bad performances.

[Chico23231]

if Grossman has a poor game at St Louis....bye week Shannys will make the switch

[bertoskins2]

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