Hall of Fame Class of 2012

[MTK]

It reminds me of the take that Walsh only won because of Montana and Rice.

You can make these types of arguments all day with just about anyone. A little too nitpicky for me personally.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It reminds me of the take that Walsh only won because of Montana and Rice.

You can make these types of arguments all day with just about anyone. A little too nitpicky for me personally.

Well, Rice wasn't with Walsh for the first SB (I believe without looking up). Also, Walsh wasn't with 2 teams with Montana. Remember, Bill B was the DC of the Pats for 1 year, and that was THE year for them. Also, as soon as Bill B left the Giants for the Browns, the Giants did not go back to the big one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Well, Rice wasn't with Walsh for the first SB (I believe without looking up). Also, Walsh wasn't with 2 teams with Montana. Remember, Bill B was the DC of the Pats for 1 year, and that was THE year for them. Also, as soon as Bill B left the Giants for the Browns, the Giants did not go back to the big one.

My point is you can pick and choose all sorts of things to suit an argument. Only thing that really matters is the body of work. Once you get into the realm of nitpicking you end up snubbing the likes of Art Monk from the Hall for years on end.

[MTK]

It's tough to win in this league, really tough. And with all the variables involved, it's no big surprise that coaches never seem to find the same level of success when they move on to different teams. But that shouldn't diminish what they did manage to accomplish in the first place.

[CrustyRedskin]

30th anniversary of "The Catch" today. I brought that up to a few Cowboy lovers this morning. The didnt think it was quite as memorable as i did. D.D Lewis one of the LBer's chasing Montana on the play came to my place of employment a few years ago gave a motivational speech. Afterwards many emoployees were lined up getting pictures and his autograph. I took off in the other direction and someone said hey arnt you gona get his autograph and a picture, i said naw I'm good!! HTTR my faith runs deep!!

[CrustyRedskin]

Gary Reason should get in for this hit.

Gary Reasons THE HIT - YouTube

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Gary Reason should get in for this hit.

Gary Reasons THE HIT - YouTube

yeah that is prety good.he had a better one on Earl Campell where he bent his own facemask....Harry Carson said it was the hardest hit he has ever seen.

[Leader In Sports]

Enshrinement » 2012 Finalists comparative stats: Coaches - W-L-T
I just saw this on the HOF website and it illustrates my point about when Parcells had success.

His Giants Super Bowls were only when Bill B was his DC

He was 50% career with the Patriots and the only successful year was when Bill B left the Browns and was his DC.

He won 60% when Bill B was his DC with the Jets and barely over 50% when he was at the Cowboys.

The later years are really telling.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Enshrinement » 2012 Finalists comparative stats: Coaches - W-L-T
I just saw this on the HOF website and it illustrates my point about when Parcells had success.

His Giants Super Bowls were only when Bill B was his DC

He was 50% career with the Patriots and the only successful year was when Bill B left the Browns and was his DC.

He won 60% when Bill B was his DC with the Jets and barely over 50% when he was at the Cowboys.

The later years are really telling.

You killing me with this crap man. He took the Jets from a basement dweller and turned them into a competitive team. He also set up the Cowboys roster that turned into a highly competitive team.

To link Parcells success to Bellicheat is hilarious to say. Again, who picked those players during the Parcells/Bellicheat era? Bellicheat? Not hardly.

You sound like some of these Skins fans that hate Shanny. A clear agenda against the man for no reason.

[CrustyRedskin]

Geeeeeze!! Parcdells and Belichick will both be in there sooner or later!!! Give it a break!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Geeeeeze!! Parcdells and Belichick will both be in there sooner or later!!! Give it a break!!

All of this

[Leader In Sports]

Sorry, absolutely no agenda at all. I am simply making a point. If you had to pick a coach for your team, who would you pick? Bill P or Bill B?

Me, I would pick Bill B everyday of the week.


Yes, I also agree with those who say they will both get in. Just not sure it should actually be that way.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Sorry, absolutely no agenda at all. I am simply making a point. If you had to pick a coach for your team, who would you pick? Bill P or Bill B?

Me, I would pick Bill B everyday of the week.


Yes, I also agree with those who say they will both get in. Just not sure it should actually be that way.

Both will be in the Hall of Fame. I don't know if this affects the HOF selection process, but so far Parcell's coaching tree has been more successful than Belichick's. Not that this is a big deal, but it shows one of many ways a coach can influence the league.

Just a random though with BB, I wonder what would have happened if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt? I thought he was a good QB, but not Tom Brady good.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Sorry, absolutely no agenda at all. I am simply making a point. If you had to pick a coach for your team, who would you pick? Bill P or Bill B?

Me, I would pick Bill B everyday of the week.


Yes, I also agree with those who say they will both get in. Just not sure it should actually be that way.

Until Bill Belicheat goes to another squad and turn them into a power house like Parcells has done time and time, get back with me. Belicheck ONLY succeeded because he was set up nicely by Parcells to begin with(super bowl caliber team from 2 years previously). Why else did he take the NE job over the Jets job? He knew the talent was much better on the Patriots. Otherwise, my guess is his tenure in New England would have ended up much like it did in Cleveland.



As of 2011, former Parcells assistants who are currently head coaches in either the NFL or the college ranks include:

* Bill Belichick, New England Patriots
* Tom Coughlin, New York Giants
* Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints
* Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State
* Charlie Weis, University of Kansas
* Romeo Crennel, Kansas City Chiefs


Three out of those 6 current coaches have a Super Bowl ring (as head coach) as well. The guy knows football, knows how to coach, and knows how to lead.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Until Bill Belicheat goes to another squad and turn them into a power house like Parcells has done time and time, get back with me. Belicheck ONLY succeeded because he was set up nicely by Parcells to begin with(super bowl caliber team from 2 years previously). Why else did he take the NE job over the Jets job? He knew the talent was much better on the Patriots. Otherwise, my guess is his tenure in New England would have ended up much like it did in Cleveland.

Cut out the coaching tree part only because there is no disagreement that the success levels (although give it time and see).

Your argument would hold up about Parcells building the Patriots except Parcells also took what he wanted when he moved to the Jets (Martin). It also doesn't hold up because I doubt anyone could say the Patriots still have Parcells stamp on it.

While I agree that Brady is obviously better than Bledsoe, didn't the Patriots also have success when Brady went down and Cassel filled in? That to me is more like the argument someone pointed out earlier about Walsh having Montana.

Believe it or not, I am not an idiot. I realize Parcells will be in Canton at some point. I am just pointing out some arguments that have been going around for years. Just open your mind a bit and think about it.