Hall of Fame Class of 2012

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Cut out the coaching tree part only because there is no disagreement that the success levels (although give it time and see).

Your argument would hold up about Parcells building the Patriots except Parcells also took what he wanted when he moved to the Jets (Martin). It also doesn't hold up because I doubt anyone could say the Patriots still have Parcells stamp on it.

While I agree that Brady is obviously better than Bledsoe, didn't the Patriots also have success when Brady went down and Cassel filled in? That to me is more like the argument someone pointed out earlier about Walsh having Montana.

Believe it or not, I am not an idiot. I realize Parcells will be in Canton at some point. I am just pointing out some arguments that have been going around for years. Just open your mind a bit and think about it.

It is hard to dismiss the coaching tree part, if you are making an argument for right now. Will Belichick end up having a coaching career better than Parcells when he retires? Absolutely. But if you compare Parcells' career to what BB has done so far, then I would give the nod to Parcells.

It would be interesting to see how would Belichick fare in rebuilding another team. While his Parcells' tenures with the Jets and the Cowboys were not great, he was fairly successful with those two organizations.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Believe it or not, I am not an idiot. I realize Parcells will be in Canton at some point. I am just pointing out some arguments that have been going around for years. Just open your mind a bit and think about it.

...ok ,you're right.

.....the world is flat.

....we never went to the moon.

......and hell yeah OJ is innocent.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

...ok ,you're right.

.....the world is flat.

....we never went to the moon.

......and hell yeah OJ is innocent.

OJ is innocent.





























According to the judicial system.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Leader In Sports

Sorry, absolutely no agenda at all. I am simply making a point. If you had to pick a coach for your team, who would you pick? Bill P or Bill B?

Me, I would pick Bill B everyday of the week.


Yes, I also agree with those who say they will both get in. Just not sure it should actually be that way.

Just stop...
with your logic Belichick should'nt get in unless Brady goes becuase when he was in Cleveland he stunk,he only won in New England.

[MTK]

When Brady retires I wonder if BB will too.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When Brady retires I wonder if BB will too.

He has been there since 2000, so it would make sense.

I just looked up Bill B and his tenure in Cleveland (90-95). 1994 he got the team turned around with an 11-4 record and went to the playoffs. 1995 the team was 4-5 when on November 6 Modell announced the move to Baltimore and the team just fell apart finishing 5-11.

I am not so sure I would call Bill B a failure in Cleveland.

[Leader In Sports]

And the winners are:

Enshrinement » Class of 2012 announced!

The Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Selection Committee held its annual election meeting today and elected six individuals to the Class of 2012. Bringing the total number of members in the Hall of Fame to 273 are cornerback Jack Butler, center Dermontti Dawson, defensive end/linebacker Chris Doleman, defensive tackle Cortez Kennedy, running back Curtis Martin, and tackle Willie Roaf.

[SFREDSKIN]

I love the fact that Chris Carter has to wait, I'm still surprised Lester Hayes is not in the HOF. Maybe the Stickum?

[Terpfan76]

What's with all of the Chris Carter hate? Am I missing something?

As for the argument against Parcells, what a bunch of crap. Namath, Stallworth and Swann being HoFers? Now that is pretty silly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

What's with all of the Chris Carter hate? Am I missing something?

As for the argument against Parcells, what a bunch of crap. Namath, Stallworth and Swann being HoFers? Now that is pretty silly.

Carter isn't getting in cause apparently he was a real dick to the media people. And this is why they should never be allowed to vote on the HOF. It should be consisted of former coaches and players, who have common sense. Carter came across as a true asshole but you still can not deny that he was a great player who scored a ton of touchdowns. I was listening to Peter King last night and he said Carter and Andre Reed were canceling each other out. Huh???? Anyone who saw both guys play would know that Carter was the better player. Get rid of the media guys who vote on this stuff!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

What's with all of the Chris Carter hate? Am I missing something?

Ask Cris: Strategic move - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

"I'm a huge Washington Redskins fan and I cannot understand why Art Monk has not been selected for the Hall of Fame. Art was the all-time leading receiver (940 receptions) at one time in his career and won a couple of Super Bowls. Michael Irvin was inducted last year. Why do you think they keep passing Art by?"

Joel Shuster
Randolph, N.J.

The No. 1 argument I hear against Monk is the lack of Pro Bowl appearances. He only made it three times. When you look at the amount of time he played – 16 years – and in his conference, he was only among the top four receivers three times, then how could he be a Hall of Famer? And keep in mind here: we're just talking about within his conference, not the whole league. And people say, if they were only going to take one receiver away from the Redskins offense, they would try to slow down Gary Clark. When you take all of that into consideration, there's a very strong case to keep him out of Canton.

Best of Mike and Mike: 8/12 - ESPN

Cris Carter's takedown of Calvin Johnson - NFC North Blog - ESPN

"... We're trying to determine greatness and impact on the NFL game. Calvin Johnson, you don't have to double-team him to take him out of the game. Now, I made eight Pro Bowls. I made it with five different quarterbacks. They weren't always great. So I don't want to hear the excuse that I'm not playing with a great quarterback.

"Larry Fitzgerald the last couple years, he hasn't played with a great quarterback, but he still gets the numbers. He still gets open. He still makes plays week in and week out. I don't want to hear about the quarterback situation. That's all part of the process. Now, [Calvin Johnson] is a good player. He's just not great yet."

Quite simply put. He's a idiot and a hater.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ask Cris: Strategic move - NFL - Yahoo! Sports






Best of Mike and Mike: 8/12 - ESPN

Cris Carter's takedown of Calvin Johnson - NFC North Blog - ESPN




Quite simply put. He's a idiot and a hater.

Agreed. But that has nothing to do with what he did on the field.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Agreed. But that has nothing to do with what he did on the field.

The question was why did people hate on him. (especially skins fans)

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The question was why did people hate on him. (especially skins fans)

Simple answer - Carter was a hater on Monk getting in. Carter was perhaps the best sideline receiver of all time, but he never had the speed to stretch the field. He also benefitted by a huge number of short TDs (under 10 yards) that Skins receivers rarely got because of the Hogs and a stellar red zone running game. When I hear Carter bash the likes of Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson, I just laugh, because he was never as impactful as they are. I challenge anyone to find a clip of Carter taking a 5 yard hitch, and turning it into a 70 yard TD with his speed. He was a great posession receiver, and great on end zone fades, but was not a guy that you had to gameplan against like a Randy Moss, Fitz, or CJ.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

What's with all of the Chris Carter hate? Am I missing something?

As for the argument against Parcells, what a bunch of crap. Namath, Stallworth and Swann being HoFers? Now that is pretty silly.

Apparently I am not the only one to feel this way. Parcells was in the first cut of finalist.