Sean Taylor - What if...

[Redskins_P]

Taylor will start. No doubt.

[celts32]

Taylor would have to hold out of training camp for me to sit him. How can you lose a job over activities labled "voluntary"? He should definitely be there though...I have not changed my mind on that.

[joethiesmanfan]

I am just glad he not gonna hold out like T.O. he has potential to be a monster. All I am thinking is beat Dallas. That should be our focus everyone focussssssssssssssss!

[MTK]

If he shows for camp and his contract isn't an issue, why would he not be the starter? We can't really punish him for not showing to voluntary workouts, as much as it may irk the staff.

This whole thing probably irritates the fans more than the team and coaches.

[skinnyfan]

HE'LL START if he shows up at 12:45 right before we open with Chicago......now that may be pushing it, but he has done nothing yet to relinquish his starting role besides being a "ME" guy......and making me hate him for it......HE'LL START FOR SURE.

[Schneed10]

If Taylor is burnt out on football, then I say it's actually GOOD that he's taking a break from it. If you're burnt out now, you better take a break now, because I absolutely don't want him burnt out DURING the season.

Any time you want to miss something that's voluntary, that's entirely up to you. That's a choice you make yourself, but you have to bear in mind that if you miss, there are going to be other guys on the team who are there preparing. That could mean that they get better, and make a bigger impression on the coaches. If one of those players shows that they deserve the spot more than Taylor, then Taylor should get benched. But he shouldn't get benched just because he misses voluntary workouts.

Now, do I think somebody on the team can beat out Sean Taylor? Hell no. But that's the way you have to approach it. If Sean Taylor can earn his starting spot just by showing up to mandatory practices and skipping the voluntary ones, then he deserves the starting job.

When you do only what is required of you, that's synonymous with doing the bare minimum. Guys who do the bare minimum aren't the types I want to make a part of my core group of Redskins, and I'll bet Gibbs feels that way too, so maybe Taylor should consider the effects this move will have on his contract negotiations and where he stands with Gibbs. I'd be willing to hand over a bit more cash for someone who goes the extra mile. Benching him isn't the answer, you play the best player, period. But how much you're willing to pay him come contract time, that's where it gets interesting.

Work and deserve it, earn it to own it.

[Schneed10]

If he goes out and performs as the best player on the defense for the next 4 years, while missing voluntary practices, then I would still want to pay top dollar to resign him. But I wouldn't give him more than the 2nd best player on the defense (for the sake of argument, Lavar Arrington), as long as that defensive player is going the extra mile and working even when he's not required. If that means Sean Taylor leaves for a better deal elsewhere, so be it.

On our team, extra work should be rewarded. That fosters the right kind of team attitude and encourages leadership.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

All of this talk is showing that money and talent aren't the only things important in sports today. Psychology has more to do with it then we would think.

[BossHog]

Gibbs wasn't to clear on what he meant regarding Taylor's situation. What Gibbs was trying to say is that the front office acknowledges the fact that Taylor's current contract is a little on the light side in comparison to the other top draft picks taken before and after him. They will review the terms of the contract as the offseason allows. In the time being, Taylor is still under contract and therefore expected to be with the team.

[joethiesmanfan]

If you keep playing hard ball with players and letting them go you create roster turnover which is not good. Just face it having Taylor on the field gives our defense an advantage most teams dont have. I would like to see good faith from the front office and atleast start talking with him on a deal and Ramsey too. Core Redskin Smoot left for a better deal; another team felt he was more valuable We used a number 9 pick to replace him that shows his value. We could have kept him and used number 9 for something else and we would have been made better by that number 9 pick instead of running in place and replacing what we already had. just face it core Redskin talk is nonsense those players work for the NFL as a whole, not any one team and thats reality nowadays and thats the problem.

[Longtimefan]

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

Thank God. I was starting to feel all alone here.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It is a very bad mistake to give any player the false impression that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as he turns in a good performance on the field. I am not one who condones pre-madonas, and feel that performance on and off the field are of equal value.

I agree with this, to a point. The whole point of this thread was to determine whether you would BENCH Sean Taylor for missing these VOLUNTARY workouts.

I agree that you can't send the message that all behavior is acceptable as long as you perform well in games. But the question at hand is: exactly how bad has Sean Taylor's behavior been so far?

I say not that bad at all. He has not missed anything mandatory. He has not taken any shots at his QB or coaches, a la TO. All reports suggest he is working his ass off on his own. As long as he comes to mini-camp and training camp in shape, and he works hard there to improve himself, then benching him would be a MAJOR overreaction. It would just be plain stupid.

Now, in contract negotiations, that's where you send the message in my opinion. That's where you sit down and say, "hey, we here at the Washington Redskins reward people who work hard on a voluntary basis. We like players who are with us for all practices, voluntary or not." And you offer a contract accordingly. If Sean Taylor wants to be a part of voluntary sessions, then he'll earn the top dollars in his next contract. If not, then maybe he has a million or two shaved off of what he would have otherwise been offered. And if he walks, fine, he wouldn't have been a good fit for us so long as voluntary practices are that important to team chemistry in Gibbs' eyes.

But you don't bench him (unless he starts skipping mandatory practices). That's just plain moronic. Winning games is still the bottom line.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

All reports suggest he is working his ass off on his own. As long as he comes to mini-camp and training camp in shape, and he works hard there to improve himself, then benching him would be a MAJOR overreaction. It would just be plain stupid.

I would actually love to see these reports. The only thing I've heard is that he's gone to Miami ONE DAY for a half court basketball game. I haven't heard from one credible source that's actually witnessed him "working his ass off".

And please don't cite Portis......of course he's going to say that about his boy.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

I would actually love to see these reports. The only thing I've heard is that he's gone to Miami ONE DAY for a half court basketball game. I haven't heard from one credible source that's actually witnessed him "working his ass off".

And please don't cite Portis......of course he's going to say that about his boy.

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