Start John Beck Madness Thread

[MTK]

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Seriously.

Has anybody thought about what happens if Beck is not the answer? I look at Grossman like this:

He makes some good plays (such as Moss' touchdown on 4th down against Arizona), and he makes some bad plays (such as boneheaded interceptions).

Now I look at Beck like this:

He's sat on the bench except for his whole horrible career in Miami. Could he provide better play? Possibly. Could he be just as bad, if not worse? Possibly.

Back to my starting point. If Beck is actually worse than Grossman, then what? Do we put Grossman back in? And then bench him again when he sucks? Do we flip flop all season between two qb's best suited to be backups? If Beck was tearing it up in practice and Grossman kept looking like shit, I don't think Shanahan would hesitate to replace Grossman. But so far Grossman has provided us with good and bad highlights, and he's also 3-1 as a starter.

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GMScud

He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.

Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not an advocate for either QB. Since we have to have one of them under center, I still lean towards Rex... for now.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.

How do we know Beck isn't capable of making those plays, more plays, or better decisions if we never give him the opportunity to prove himself in a live game format with consequences.

I understand why the people here want to ride Grossman until the wheels fall off. It's the same conservative football mentality that has permeated this franchise and its fan base for the past decade. They're the same people who are complaining that we should run the ball more when we're 6th in the NFL in rushing attempts.

As the saying goes "fortune favors the bold", not fortune favors the prudent.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Can't have QB ratings around 50 for 2 straight weeks. I hate that Rex Grossman is our starting QB, but at 3-1 you kind of have to stand pat.

Given the praise that Beck has gotten from the Shannys, I don't imagine that Rex can have too many more games like that and keep his job. Problem is, what if you bench him and Beck comes in and stinks up the place? Season goes totally down the toilet at that point.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

When you lose to a beat up lame ass Cowboys team and barely beat the crapless Rams, their is legitimate grounds for concern. Unless of course one is short sighted. 3-1 yes, convincingly no.

The team is playing great. Grossman, not so great so far. I don't see a problem with anyone wanting Beck at this time.

[zeesson]

Originally Posted by 44ever

When you lose to a beat up lame ass Cowboys team and barely beat the crapless Rams, their is legitimate grounds for concern. Unless of course one is short sighted. 3-1 yes, convincingly no.

The team is playing great. Grossman, not so great so far. I don't see a problem with anyone wanting Beck at this time.

Honestly even though I thought Beck played better in the preseason, I can still see the other side's point. We know what we will get from Rex; we have no idea what we will get from Beck. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[irish]

Originally Posted by 44ever

When you lose to a beat up lame ass Cowboys team and barely beat the crapless Rams, their is legitimate grounds for concern. Unless of course one is short sighted. 3-1 yes, convincingly no.

The team is playing great. Grossman, not so great so far. I don't see a problem with anyone wanting Beck at this time.

Who cares about convincingly?! Style points only count in college football.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by irish

Who cares about convincingly?! Style points only count in college football.

Well if you look at his performance against Dallas, had he converted just 1 time in the RZ we would have won that game. Any average starting QB in the league given the same opportunity would have at least converted 1 in such a important game. It's a shame because everyone else around him played pretty decent, the D played more than decent holding Romo to zero. What more can a QB ask for?

Further, nobody is crying for a QB change, I don't see that at all. Most that are for Beck are content on allowing Rex to continue but would not object to seeing Beck. We are also hoping Rex has a great season.

Honestly, if Rex goes down and Beck is brought in and plays solid, I would bet those of you who are "Rex or nothing" would not want him back when healthy.

It's really a wait and see for me as I am good either way.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Well if you look at his performance against Dallas, had he converted just 1 time in the RZ we would have won that game. Any average starting QB in the league given the same opportunity would have at least converted 1 in such a important game. It's a shame because everyone else around him played pretty decent, the D played more than decent holding Romo to zero. What more can a QB ask for?

Further, nobody is crying for a QB change, I don't see that at all. Most that are for Beck are content on allowing Rex to continue but would not object to seeing Beck. We are also hoping Rex has a great season.

Honestly, if Rex goes down and Beck is brought in and plays solid, I would bet those of you who are "Rex or nothing" would not want him back when healthy.

It's really a wait and see for me as I am good either way.

Do we actually have this? I believe the "Rex" people are more the...."as long as we're winning" people (as in don't rock the boat). Myself included. IF he should crash....injured.......contract diptheria, and JB comes in and plays well? I think we will all become once again "as long as we're winning" for Beck fans.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

I'm stoked! 3-1 can't complain.. I just said if they do go w Beck why not? He's prob as good as rex anyway

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Well I think most fans are happy that we're 3-1. But I also think most fans realize that we barely beat a really bad football team. And the reason was cause of the offense. The Rams flat out dropped a pick six. Going to need more out of the QB position in order to beat better teams.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Nah...not upset or banging my head....but we should be 4-0.
We lost to a team that could only score field goals against our D.
Rex is like watching a bi-polar train wreck full of turnovers.
Against the Rams, one of the worst teams in the NFL, Rex started good but then slowed down as the game went on and played down to their level. Ugly!
He is so slow to set up on the play action pass. His speed from center, to the fake to the RB with his back to the defense, then turn and throw is molasses-like. His naked bootlegs and rollouts are amateurish at times. Both of the Shanahan's faces during these moments is telling.
Rex was not that much better than Beck in preseason. Beck looked better in certain games. It is not that crazy of an idea to see Beck play if Rex does not improve in the turnovers and red zone.