Start John Beck Madness Thread

12thMan · 10-02-2011, 05:19 PM

To say it another way, you guys are pining for John Beck like he's the next coming of Bart Starr. He's not. From what I've seen, Beck is just as ordinary as Grossman. Marginally more athletic, mechanics are different but I'm not seeing a huge upgrade, if at all.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Rex Grossman is beyond being benched or even criticized. I believe wholeheartedly that every Skins fans understands Rex has his shortcomings that are liabilities, especially late in the game. So far though, those liabilities haven't cost us wins.

You chop off the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league and a lot of these guys fall squarely into Rex Grossman territory on most Sundays. I think the Skins should stand pat, not because Rex deserves it so much but because the team is playing well and there's no reason to see just for the sake of seeing. Let Rex study the film, sit down with Shanny and Kyle over the bye and reboot.

DCtoAZ · 10-02-2011, 05:19 PM

Well I look at it like this .. Moss was responsible for 1 pick .. Hightower dropped crucial 3rd down play that would have kept momentum going .. yes he played ugly today but he also made some nice throws and we won the game .. perhaps you haven't seen the "BONEHEAD" plays Tony Romo made and/or makes ? Relax people, yes that game was a game that should have been slammed home 35-0 ... I would say playcalling was responsible for 75% of those turnovers .. why the F would we be throwing in that last situation anyways ? We have a 3 headed RB monster approaching our team and good rex bad rex is GOOD enough to get us at 3-1 heading into bye week in 1st Place. BTW we would be 4-0 if we would have played a little 'safe' defense like we did today when we needed to stop a 20+ yds play for 1st down ... Beck be ready, only if Rex gets injured otherwise we roll with our homey .. yeah he's a little chunky and a maniac and gives us all heart attacks but for whatever reason ... i'm feeling him .. Hail to the Sex Grossmans

pg86 · 10-02-2011, 05:21 PM

Im hung on this...you see had kyle not made shitty calls on 3rd down we'd have a Rex Resurection thread

On the otherhand we know Beck can get out the pocket and run that play action WAY better than rex

JoeRedskin · 10-02-2011, 05:22 PM

Wow. Just wow. Okay, Rex isn't great - but he is good enough. We have a team that is focused and, 3 times in 4, has found a way to get the job done. But, yeah, let's f*** with what's got us here just 'cause. If Beck were a definite upgrade, sure. But he's not.

When Rex loses a game or two, then, okay, yank him.

But, when you're winning, don't mess with success. Duh.

Mechanix544 · 10-16-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wow. Just wow. Okay, Rex isn't great - but he is good enough. We have a team that is focused and, 3 times in 4, has found a way to get the job done. But, yeah, let's f*** with what's got us here just 'cause. If Beck were a definite upgrade, sure. But he's not.

When Rex loses a game or two, then, okay, yank him.

But, when you're winning, don't mess with success. Duh.

Would this qualify? Or would he have to be ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY responsible for the Interceptions? Like walking up to Nate Allen and handing him the ball all wrapped up in philadelphia Eagles gift wrap?

Just wondering.....

JoeRedskin · 10-16-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Would this qualify? Or would he have to be ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY responsible for the Interceptions? Like walking up to Nate Allen and handing him the ball all wrapped up in philadelphia Eagles gift wrap?

Just wondering.....

Yup. This qualifies. I had a disclaimer and I stand by it. Rex single handedly snuffed out any chance of victory. I gave him a pass on the first INT, but after that they were just horrible and he should not have even started the second half.

It's Beck job now and rightfullly so.

pg86 · 10-02-2011, 05:27 PM

Ok Im watching the replays....u know what...I don't think Rex is to blame...

1. Recievers aren't getting separation we are really missing Armstrong

2. Stop passing on 3rd and 3 Kyle

4. I'm seeing a ton of illegal touching on the guys covering fred davis thats going uncalled.

Don't blame Rex cept for that 1 int

rbanerjee23 · 10-02-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pg86

Ok Im watching the replays....u know what...I don't think Rex is to blame...

1. Recievers aren't getting separation we are really missing Armstrong

2. Stop passing on 3rd and 3 Kyle

4. I'm seeing a ton of illegal touching on the guys covering fred davis thats going uncalled.

Don't blame Rex cept for that 1 int

I totally agree with 90% of what you say -- it seems like Davis is getting mauled on offense and Rak/Kerrigan are getting mauled on defense with the refs choosing to ignore it. Kyle really has to improve the playcalling, that's two weeks now where it's been suspect.

That being said -- the Lauranitis INT was an awful decision at a pivotal point in the game. Also, Rex was super lucky, there were two picks where he hit the defender between the numbers and they didn't bring the picks in that could have been INTs.

diehard · 10-02-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I totally agree with 90% of what you say -- it seems like Davis is getting mauled on offense and Rak/Kerrigan are getting mauled on defense with the refs choosing to ignore it. Kyle really has to improve the playcalling, that's two weeks now where it's been suspect.

That being said -- the Lauranitis INT was an awful decision at a pivotal point in the game. Also, Rex was super lucky, there were two picks where he hit the defender between the numbers and they didn't bring the picks in that could have been INTs.

If this team wants to be a contender, the QB can't throw the game away late in the game, period.

SmootSmack · 10-02-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I totally agree with 90% of what you say -- it seems like Davis is getting mauled on offense and Rak/Kerrigan are getting mauled on defense with the refs choosing to ignore it. Kyle really has to improve the playcalling, that's two weeks now where it's been suspect.

That being said -- the Lauranitis INT was an awful decision at a pivotal point in the game. Also, Rex was super lucky, there were two picks where he hit the defender between the numbers and they didn't bring the picks in that could have been INTs.

You could also argue that he was super unlucky. Hightower drops an easy catch. Moss drops an easy catch. A great throw to (I believe) Gaffney on 3rd down is negated because of a questionable false start on Jammal Brown.

rbanerjee23 · 10-02-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You could also argue that he was super unlucky. Hightower drops an easy catch. Moss drops an easy catch. A great throw to (I believe) Gaffney on 3rd down is negated because of a questionable false start on Jammal Brown.

Rex throws an awful ball on 3rd and 3 causing the skins to have to punt late in the game, underthrows Davis on another passing attempt -- we can go back and forth all day, he even had a play where he was flushed out of the pocket and didn't get it back to the line of scrimmage - a grounding penalty which the refs missed.

SmootSmack · 10-02-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Rex throws an awful ball on 3rd and 3 causing the skins to have to punt late in the game, underthrows Davis on another passing attempt -- we can go back and forth all day, he even had a play where he was flushed out of the pocket and didn't get it back to the line of scrimmage - a grounding penalty which the refs missed.

Exactly we can go back and forth that's why I don't tend to pay attention to the "well he could have an interception there" argument because it's easy to counter one "he could have" with another.

pg86 · 10-02-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Rex throws an awful ball on 3rd and 3 causing the skins to have to punt late in the game, underthrows Davis on another passing attempt -- we can go back and forth all day, he even had a play where he was flushed out of the pocket and didn't get it back to the line of scrimmage - a grounding penalty which the refs missed.

The point is when you're running all over the Rams all day long Kyle SHOULD Not have rex throw on 3 and 3

mooby · 10-02-2011, 05:28 PM

12th if this thread has anything going for it, it's that it's madness.

diehard · 10-02-2011, 05:34 PM

They have a RB carousel at 3-1 why not have a QB carousel spinning too?

10-02-2011, 05:19 PM	#1
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread To say it another way, you guys are pining for John Beck like he's the next coming of Bart Starr. He's not. From what I've seen, Beck is just as ordinary as Grossman. Marginally more athletic, mechanics are different but I'm not seeing a huge upgrade, if at all. I don't think anyone here is saying that Rex Grossman is beyond being benched or even criticized. I believe wholeheartedly that every Skins fans understands Rex has his shortcomings that are liabilities, especially late in the game. So far though, those liabilities haven't cost us wins. You chop off the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league and a lot of these guys fall squarely into Rex Grossman territory on most Sundays. I think the Skins should stand pat, not because Rex deserves it so much but because the team is playing well and there's no reason to see just for the sake of seeing. Let Rex study the film, sit down with Shanny and Kyle over the bye and reboot. Last edited by 12thMan; 10-02-2011 at 05:20 PM.

10-02-2011, 05:19 PM	#2
DCtoAZ Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 45 Posts: 623	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread Well I look at it like this .. Moss was responsible for 1 pick .. Hightower dropped crucial 3rd down play that would have kept momentum going .. yes he played ugly today but he also made some nice throws and we won the game .. perhaps you haven't seen the "BONEHEAD" plays Tony Romo made and/or makes ? Relax people, yes that game was a game that should have been slammed home 35-0 ... I would say playcalling was responsible for 75% of those turnovers .. why the F would we be throwing in that last situation anyways ? We have a 3 headed RB monster approaching our team and good rex bad rex is GOOD enough to get us at 3-1 heading into bye week in 1st Place. BTW we would be 4-0 if we would have played a little 'safe' defense like we did today when we needed to stop a 20+ yds play for 1st down ... Beck be ready, only if Rex gets injured otherwise we roll with our homey .. yeah he's a little chunky and a maniac and gives us all heart attacks but for whatever reason ... i'm feeling him .. Hail to the Sex Grossmans __________________ "F*CK THE DALLAS JUMBOTRON" NFC EAST CHAMPS RG3 will be back & #12 can run the show until hes ready.We are young w depth. 23,59,89 will all be back.Alfred Morris aka Diesel Hybrid ! @DCtoAZ81 ...2013 NFC CHAMPS

10-02-2011, 05:21 PM	#3
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread Im hung on this...you see had kyle not made shitty calls on 3rd down we'd have a Rex Resurection thread On the otherhand we know Beck can get out the pocket and run that play action WAY better than rex

10-02-2011, 05:22 PM	#4
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread Wow. Just wow. Okay, Rex isn't great - but he is good enough. We have a team that is focused and, 3 times in 4, has found a way to get the job done. But, yeah, let's f*** with what's got us here just 'cause. If Beck were a definite upgrade, sure. But he's not. When Rex loses a game or two, then, okay, yank him. But, when you're winning, don't mess with success. Duh. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

10-02-2011, 05:27 PM	#7
pg86 No new threads for you Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,959	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread Ok Im watching the replays....u know what...I don't think Rex is to blame... 1. Recievers aren't getting separation we are really missing Armstrong 2. Stop passing on 3rd and 3 Kyle 4. I'm seeing a ton of illegal touching on the guys covering fred davis thats going uncalled. Don't blame Rex cept for that 1 int

10-02-2011, 05:28 PM	#14
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread 12th if this thread has anything going for it, it's that it's madness. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

10-02-2011, 05:34 PM	#15
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: Start John Beck Madness Thread They have a RB carousel at 3-1 why not have a QB carousel spinning too? __________________ *'Any NFL team will win with RG3. Imagine how exciting it will be watching him do it.'*

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