Start John Beck Madness Thread

[44ever]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

nothing like Redskin fans when we are winning games. Instead of blasting him for the dallas game, how bout we make the field goal, instead of losing by two, we win by one. Damn, at 3-1 and people still bitch.

Again, nobody is bitching but I understand your wanting to be on the side of the majority and ignore the obvious. If we need to kick 5-6 field goals to win a game when the opposing team scores zero touchdowns then Beck deserves a shot IMO.

If you just squeak by the Rams well... Lets wait and see what Shanny does, I would not be surprised to see a change at QB this season.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Again, nobody is bitching but I understand your wanting to be on the side of the majority and ignore the obvious. If we need to kick 5-6 field goals to win a game when the opposing team scores zero touchdowns then Beck deserves a shot IMO.

If you just squeak by the Rams well... Lets wait and see what Shanny does, I would not be surprised to see a change at QB this season.

44 it's because we see what the future holds and with REX we know it's only a matter of time until he goes Sanchez on us and losses a game or 2. Yeah he's done a decent job but the last 2 games have been poor and STL had 2 INTs dropped thank god or we prob lose that game. Rex is what he is but Beck on the other hand has more mobility and more accurate according to some so why not try him?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

44 it's because we see what the future holds and with REX we know it's only a matter of time until he goes Sanchez on us and losses a game or 2. Yeah he's done a decent job but the last 2 games have been poor and STL had 2 INTs dropped thank god or we prob lose that game. Rex is what he is but Beck on the other hand has more mobility and more accurate according to some so why not try him?

According to some of Shanny's latest statements there is some evidence that we may in fact see Beck this season. If Rex can pull it together great! Some here are acting as if all we need to do is bare with Rex until we secure a franchise QB well, its been decades and we have not been able to do so so what makes anyone believe that it will happen soon?

Our time is now, Our window of opportunity is now, we need to know for sure that we have the right man in at QB now. I know we are 3-1 but that has more to do with our defense than anything else. We simply are not putting enough points on the board to compete in the later stages of the season.
(The way Rex is playing at this point)

His TD to INT/Fumble ratio is scary to say the least. I don't even want to get into his mobility issues...

I'll say it again, count on Beck playing this season.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 44ever

According to some of Shanny's latest statements there is some evidence that we may in fact see Beck this season. If Rex can pull it together great! Some here are acting as if all we need to do is bare with Rex until we secure a franchise QB well, its been decades and we have not been able to do so so what makes anyone believe that it will happen soon?

Our time is now, Our window of opportunity is now, we need to know for sure that we have the right man in at QB now. I know we are 3-1 but that has more to do with our defense than anything else. We simply are not putting enough points on the board to compete in the later stages of the season.
(The way Rex is playing at this point)

His TD to INT/Fumble ratio is scary to say the least. I don't even want to get into his mobility issues...

I'll say it again, count on Beck playing this season.

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[44ever]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Again, nobody is bitching but I understand your wanting to be on the side of the majority and ignore the obvious. If we need to kick 5-6 field goals to win a game when the opposing team scores zero touchdowns then Beck deserves a shot IMO.

If you just squeak by the Rams well... Lets wait and see what Shanny does, I would not be surprised to see a change at QB this season.

Before last weeks game one of the announcers said they went back and reviewed all our red zone plays against Dallas and our WR's where not getting any seperation and Rex had no one to throw to. I guess we could ask for him to force a throw or two but then people would bitch about his ints.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Before last weeks game one of the announcers said they went back and reviewed all our red zone plays against Dallas and our WR's where not getting any seperation and Rex had no one to throw to. I guess we could ask for him to force a throw or two but then people would bitch about his ints.

If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?

Great point!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by mooby

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

Seriously. John Beck is an average mobile QB in today's NFL. If that.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by mooby

We're not talking about Michael Vick here. John Beck is slightly more mobile than Grossman. He's not a dual threat though.

I in no way eluded to him being Vick-like, or made a remotely similar comparison. It's quite literal really. "More athletic", which he is. How slender, or vast the margin is clearly open to interpretation. But obviously even a detractor is willing to admit he's "more mobile", which I'd say is a check in the box for Beck.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I in no way eluded to him being Vick-like, or made a remotely similar comparison. It's quite literal really. "More athletic", which he is. How slender, or vast the margin is clearly open to interpretation. But obviously even a detractor is willing to admit he's "more mobile", which I'd say is a check in the box for Beck.

I agreed with you earlier but I was thinking more along the lines of opening up more throwing lanes. I also agree Grossman does not have to be Vick like to accomplish that.

A QB with even average mobility can make a 2D passing game so much more simply by angle of attack. So I think your point on mobility is valid in many ways.

[#56fanatic]

Reading all this crap about changing QB's, you'd think we were 1-3. People are ridiculous, and Redskins fans just cant be happy. You all are pointing to the last quarter of the Dallas game, and the Rams game. Armstrong being out is not allowing us to stretch the field, which in turn isn't freeing up some of those middle routes we were use to seeing the first couple of games. that is one reason the passing game has taken a bit of a hit the last two games.

INT's - how many has he thrown 5?? How many of those are off recievers hands that should have been caught?? 3 or 4. ONly really bad one I can remember was the one vs the Rams. Two fumbles, one was at the end of the game where he was trying to make a play running outside the pocket and got hit from behind. That happes a TON in the NFL, to any QB and most QB;s that get caught from behind.

Its ridiculous to have these discussions. Two wins are related to Rex being able to make big plays and win the games. Giants and Cardinals. No one is talking about that. Everyone is bitching and moaning because of what Rex's reputation is and honestly its a bit overplayed. Rex has been playing pretty good when you get down to it. Taking what he is given, not forcing too many balls (as he has in the past), checking down and throwing balls away.

WE ARE 3-1 FOR F*CK SAKE. how bout we act like it

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

If your contention is that receivers aren't finding separation, therefore not giving Rex a open target to throw to, wouldn't you then feel more comfortable with a more athletic QB who can improvise with his legs?

So far Beck has not shown me he is the man to make the plays. In 5 yrs he has 5 starts with 1 td 3 ints and he looked like shit in preseason when he was trying to become the starter. Not sure Rex is that much better but he has been to a SB and has experience.