Slingin Sammy 33's Rams Game Review

[GTripp0012]

I think Rex is a problem, because he doesn't really fit the system we've used over the past four games. But 1) he's 18th in TQBR through four weeks, which isn't horrible, and 2) it would be fallacious to think that John Beck could step in and replace that production.

The idea that Beck can step in for Rex with no offensive dropoff is so obviously illogical that I don't know we we can debate that argument on its merits.

With that said, this team SHOULD look to add a vet QB that better fits its system. And I would consider offering late round draft pick compensation because the team is 3-1 and the NFC East is so obviously wide open and the Redskins clearly have something going.

If you're going to eventually replace Grossman, swallow the pride now and go out and get David Garrard, Matt Leinart, Matt Flynn, etc before the trade deadline. And then let them get practice reps behind Grossman so long as playing him is a reasonable option. Then if the team falls to .500, pull the trigger.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Rex is a problem, because he doesn't really fit the system we've used over the past four games. But 1) he's 18th in TQBR through four weeks, which isn't horrible, and 2) it would be fallacious to think that John Beck could step in and replace that production.

I'm not sold on the TQBR any more than standard QB rating. In either one, Rex is subpar. The best way to judge a QB is looking at the details on film, based on the situation. From what I'm seeing Rex ain't looking good.

The idea that Beck can step in for Rex with no offensive dropoff is so obviously illogical that I don't know we we can debate that argument on its merits.

This is an opinon you hold, it is not any more logical than an argument made to support Beck. If Grossman's flaws are hurting the team, and Beck doesn't display the same flaws, it is logical to replace Grossman to improve the team. Whether Beck will or won't display the same flaws (or worse) is an unknown.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm not sold on the TQBR any more than standard QB rating. In either one, Rex is subpar. The best way to judge a QB is looking at the details on film, based on the situation. From what I'm seeing Rex ain't looking good.

This is an opinon you hold, it is not any more logical than an argument made to support Beck. If Grossman's flaws are hurting the team, and Beck doesn't display the same flaws, it is logical to replace Grossman to improve the team. Whether Beck will or won't display the same flaws (or worse) is an unknown.

agree. I dont need any damn QBR or quarterback rating to see the guy effing sucked last game. Give me a break. 15/29 with 2 pics, yeah he wasnt that bad :vomit:

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I'm not sold on the TQBR any more than standard QB rating. In either one, Rex is subpar. The best way to judge a QB is looking at the details on film, based on the situation. From what I'm seeing Rex ain't looking good.

This is an opinon you hold, it is not any more logical than an argument made to support Beck. If Grossman's flaws are hurting the team, and Beck doesn't display the same flaws, it is logical to replace Grossman to improve the team. Whether Beck will or won't display the same flaws (or worse) is an unknown.

It's not really an unknown though, because we have preseason performance as well as four prior years of his career to work of off. John Beck is not an unknown commodity at this point.

I think Grossman's flaws are hurting the team, and I wouldn't dispute your analysis of his play. It's pretty similar to what I would write up about his play to date.

But an improvement on a guy who may be showing some flaws that are hurting his offense does at least imply that you believe that almost anyone would be better. And then I think we might be arriving at a disagreement on Grossman's value. If you've seen his play as an "anything would be better than this", I wouldn't support that conclusion.

If we accept the Redskins QB situation for what it is, Rex's play becomes far more tolerable. When we ignore the reality of the QB situation and float John Beck as an unknown quantity who just needs a chance to prove himself, Rex looks bad in comparison. But that's a pretty unrealistic take on the reality of the situation. It requires a belief in John Beck far beyond anything all the evidence would suggest we believe. At some point, to arrive at such a conclusion, we're not only suspending belief in statistical evidence, but visual evidence as well.

I think we need to improve the QB situation of the roster before we even consider a change.

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I want give you the biggest complement I can about your reviews SS33: going back three years, when I see these posted on the WP, I read them. Always. Doesn't matter how busy I am. That's as much of a complement as I would ever have wanted to receive myself. Needless to say, you do a great job.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I want give you the biggest complement I can about your reviews SS33: going back three years, when I see these posted on the WP, I read them. Always. Doesn't matter how busy I am. That's as much of a complement as I would ever have wanted to receive myself. Needless to say, you do a great job.

It is very much appreciated and I can honestly say the same of yours too.

Now if Matty would get off his hind-quarters and get us some damn airtime, we'd be in business.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It is very much appreciated and I can honestly say the same of yours too.

Now if Matty would get off his hind-quarters and get us some damn airtime, we'd be in business.

Brilliant ... great work on the reviews gentlemen .

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not really an unknown though, because we have preseason performance as well as four prior years of his career to work of off. John Beck is not an unknown commodity at this point.

Cam Cameron thought highly of Beck and was planning on starting him in 2008. He thought enough of him to bring him to the Ravens to compete as a back up to Flacco. MS had Beck rated #1 in the 2007 draft. Beck is a 30 year old rookie with only 4 NFL starts. I believe Beck was pressing in pre-season, and based on his college performance and age (maturity) he has room for improvement and can be expected to protect the ball. At worst, I believe he will perform at the same level as Rex, with better mobility. Beck is still very much an unknown.

But an improvement on a guy who may be showing some flaws that are hurting his offense does at least imply that you believe that almost anyone would be better. And then I think we might be arriving at a disagreement on Grossman's value. If you've seen his play as an "anything would be better than this", I wouldn't support that conclusion.

When I call for Crompton, then I'm there....right Lotus .

I think we need to improve the QB situation of the roster.....

We agree 100% here. And I can accept where we are at QB with all the other improvements to the Skins. The QB spot is the hardest to fill. Hopefully with the QB potential available we find ours.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Cam Cameron thought highly of Beck and was planning on starting him in 2008. He thought enough of him to bring him to the Ravens to compete as a back up to Flacco. MS had Beck rated #1 in the 2007 draft. Beck is a 30 year old rookie with only 4 NFL starts. I believe Beck was pressing in pre-season, and based on his college performance and age (maturity) he has room for improvement and can be expected to protect the ball. At worst, I believe he will perform at the same level as Rex, with better mobility. Beck is still very much an unknown.

When I call for Crompton, then I'm there....right Lotus .

We agree 100% here. And I can accept where we are at QB with all the other improvements to the Skins. The QB spot is the hardest to fill. Hopefully with the QB potential available we find ours.

Heck yes!

Being serious, Sammy, you produced another outstanding and insightful review. But I must agree with GTripp on a couple of points. As much as Grossman hurts us, it is not true that we couldn't do any worse. Grossman has been problematic but not pathetic.

Put differently, this team can go far with a Qb who is a decent game manager. While Grossman has not been that decent game manager because of his bungles, what I've seen from Beck leads me to think that he would be no better, and likely worse, as a game manager.

Perhaps you are right, Sammy, to say that Beck struggled before because he was pressing. But if he was pressing in the preseason, what will he do against the Giants with the division on the line - not press?

You, Tripp, and I all agree that we need new blood at QB on the roster.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You, Tripp, and I all agree that we need new blood at QB on the roster.

Which is the bottom line evaluation of our QB situation after four weeks.

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that this team with Jason Campbell at the helm is probably the favorite in the NFC East? I promise not to dwell on this, because it would cloud my vision for the season and he wasn't a realistic option for last year, much less this year, but it's a fun thought to consider.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Which is the bottom line evaluation of our QB situation after four weeks.

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that this team with Jason Campbell at the helm is probably the favorite in the NFC East? I promise not to dwell on this, because it would cloud my vision for the season and he wasn't a realistic option for last year, much less this year, but it's a fun thought to consider.

I agree. We would be better now with JC at the helm. Sigh.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Which is the bottom line evaluation of our QB situation after four weeks.

Would it be wrong of me to suggest that this team with Jason Campbell at the helm is probably the favorite in the NFC East? I promise not to dwell on this, because it would cloud my vision for the season and he wasn't a realistic option for last year, much less this year, but it's a fun thought to consider.

What's funny is I was thinking about the same possibility while putting together the review....then my head started to hurt.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Put differently, this team can go far with a Qb who is a decent game manager. While Grossman has not been that decent game manager because of his bungles, what I've seen from Beck leads me to think that he would be no better, and likely worse, as a game manager.

What, specifically, have you seen from Beck that would imply he would be a worse game manager?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

What, specifically, have you seen from Beck that would imply he would be a worse game manager?

Beck struggles with the simple throws against unblocked pressure. The ones inside seven yards but you need to complete to move the chains, those are the ones Beck dirt-balls.

Right now, our passing game is run-action, max protect heavy with three or fewer players in the pattern. What we really need to execute this offense is a
'thrower.' Someone who can execute the throws with velocity, accuracy, and touch when the receiver is obviously defined.

The Joe Flacco type, more or less. The sad thing is, our system is really very rookie-friendly because it doesn't ask the QB to do a whole lot at the line. But we're sorely lacking in arm talent right now.