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[JoeRedskin]

Shall we juxtapose a couple of quotes?

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Tell me when the last time a team has won a Superbowl without having some form of balance, and barely eeking out wins on a weekly basis, and maybe your case will hold weight. Otherwise go back to playing with your Tonka Toys.

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Balancing out the loss of production in one area by creating it in another still accounts for a balance in overall yardage. And as a team they rushed for 1,130 yards, but I'm not talking run/pass balance. Those statistics will never be balanced, because in almost all circumstances in the current game you are going to pass for more yardage than you rush.

Yes, they had some narrow victories, and yes, they lost 6 games, there aren't many winning teams who do a little of both, but my point was that they were also winning a number of those games by wide margins. By example there were several games where they weren't "eeking out wins", but instead handling their competition easily, and putting up droves of points in the process.

I never said anything about scraping their way to the Lombardi. You're only hearing/reading selectively and interpreting it however you choose.

First: I am sorry, but the bolded statement in your second quote is simply inane. There is no such thing as "a balance in overall yardage" there is "overall yardage" and the way that yardage is gained - either through rushing or passing A "balanced attack" obviously does not mean equal yards in each - please don't be obtuse by alleging that was the assertion. GBay did not have a balanced attack last year, they had the 5th best passing offense and the 24th ranked rushing offense.

A balanced attack clearly means that, when comparing a team's rushing and passing attack to the other teams in the league, the passing and rushing attacks rank about the same. Thus, if you have a top 5 passing attack, and top 5 rushing attack, you have a balanced offense. If you have a top 5 passing attack and a bottom 5 rushing attack your offense is unbalanced. The bigger the gap in the ratio, the more unbalanced the offense. Last year, no matter how you try to dress it up, GBay was a very unbalanced team - no one worried how to stop their run game last year. Despite this unbalanced attack, and perhaps because of it, they won the Super Bowl - they simply had a very good offense even if it was completely unbalanced.

Second: You most certainly asserted that a team "barely eeking out wins on a weekly basis" hadn't won a SB. In 10 of its 16 games last year, GB either lost or won by a TD or less. Additionally, in one its TD+ games, it didn't even score a TD; just 3 field goals. At four games, last year, GB had lost to the Bears and scraped by a then very bad Detroit team while blowing out a bad Buffalo team. [You're right, we didn't blow anyone out yet. Not sure, after 4 games, that that fact is proof that we won't blow anyone out this year].

Stop trying to weasel out of your words.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Shall we juxtapose a couple of quotes?






First: I am sorry, but the bolded statement in your second quote is simply inane. There is no such thing as "a balance in overall yardage" there is "overall yardage" and the way that yardage is gained - either through rushing or passing A "balanced attack" obviously does not mean equal yards in each - please don't be obtuse by alleging that was the assertion. GBay did not have a balanced attack last year, they had the 5th best passing offense and the 24th ranked rushing offense.

A balanced attack clearly means that, when comparing a team's rushing and passing attack to the other teams in the league, the passing and rushing attacks rank about the same. Thus, if you have a top 5 passing attack, and top 5 rushing attack, you have a balanced offense. If you have a top 5 passing attack and a bottom 5 rushing attack your offense is unbalanced. The bigger the gap in the ratio, the more unbalanced the offense. Last year, no matter how you try to dress it up, GBay was a very unbalanced team - no one worried how to stop their run game last year. Despite this unbalanced attack, and perhaps because of it, they won the Super Bowl - they simply had a very good offense even if it was completely unbalanced.

Second: You most certainly asserted that a team "barely eeking out wins on a weekly basis" hadn't won a SB. In 10 of its 16 games last year, GB either lost or won by a TD or less. Additionally, in one its TD+ games, it didn't even score a TD; just 3 field goals. At four games, last year, GB had lost to the Bears and scraped by a then very bad Detroit team while blowing out a bad Buffalo team. [You're right, we didn't blow anyone out yet. Not sure, after 4 games, that that fact is proof that we won't blow anyone out this year].

Stop trying to weasel out of your words.

So, just to clarify. By this logic a team that is ranked 32nd in passing, and 32nd in rushing is considered a "balanced attack".

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

So, just to clarify. By this logic a team that is ranked 32nd in passing, and 32nd in rushing is considered a "balanced attack".

probably...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

So, just to clarify. By this logic a team that is ranked 32nd in passing, and 32nd in rushing is considered a "balanced attack".

You have a stunning grasp of the obvious.

Of course, no one would refer to such a team as having a "balanced offense" as that term generally has positive connotations. Such a team's offense would just be called "awful" but, in fact, they would be equally awful at rushing the ball and passing it and, thus, they would be balanced.

BTW - I made reference only to fanarchist's weaseling. Although at times fanarchist does seem to be a weasel bitch, I certainly intended no gender related characteristics to be inferred. If the weasel reference was offensive to any actual mustelidea mustelinea mustela among my fellow posters, I sincerely apologize for alluding to the negative aspects of your character traits. I promise to be less linear and more elusive in the future.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You have a stunning grasp of the obvious.

Of course, no one would refer to such a team as having a "balanced offense" as that term generally has positive connotations. Such a team's offense would just be called "awful" but, in fact, they would be equally awful at rushing the ball and passing it and, thus, they would be balanced.

BTW - I made reference only to fanarchist's weaseling. Although at times fanarchist does seem to be a weasel bitch, I certainly intended no gender related characteristics to be inferred. If the weasel reference was offensive to any actual mustelidea mustelinea mustela among my fellow posters, I sincerely apologize for alluding to the negative aspects of your character traits. I promise to be less linear and more elusive in the future.

Joe, you are awesome.