'Occupy' types

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's a false illusion they want you to think Smoot. Truth is, you are born into a select group of people or you get lucky. I'll guarantee you there are people out there that have put in more effort, time, schooling than some of these high paid CEOs of corporations, but they'll never see the type of compensation.

It's almost the same way here in the state. You'd think the hard workers would get promoted, or those with education. Nope. It's a good ole boy network, and if you can shoot the shit, tell a good fishing story, then you are in there like swim wear.

Reminds me of this conference call we were on with my boss and our director. There was a new position opening up, and they were talking loosely about candidates for that job. My boss mentions one guy who would have been a 100% match for the position. He was liked, smart as hell, hard worker and knew what the hell he was doing. My boss then goes on to state...."Nah, they'd never give a guy like that the job, he's too valuable where he is".

In fact, the guy that got hired was a former employee here (that people hated), and was the worst candidate for the job and had the worst interview. Why'd he get it? Because the CIO and the guy under him were buddies with him and that's all that mattered.

This happens in corporations as well. Ivy league connections. Wealth connections. Sorry, but you can be middle class and work your ass off and never see the type of success like they will simply because of the circle you were born in. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work hard or strive to be better people, it just means that doing those doesn't equate to success on that level.

Thats how I landed my job. They must have kept the swim wear.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I guess the main thing for me is a) I don't fully understand what they are protesting and b) it seems like a lot of it is about some people having more success, however you define that (money, power, etc) than others.

Not even getting where you come up with that conclusion. Are you going of Fox news reports? Random youtube clips?

[Alvin Walton]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;853032]Not even getting where you come up with that conclusion. Are you going of Fox news reports? Random youtube clips? [Quote]


Its on every channel and every news website and its being repeated over and over and over that that these people dont have a point and most appear to just want a hand out.
Even my hugely liberal treehugging sister in law asked me what they want.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Its on every channel and every news website and its being repeated over and over and over that that these people dont have a point and most appear to just want a hand out.
Even my hugely liberal treehugging sister in law asked me what they want.

I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, corporate media ran by corporate America.


Try here: BBC News - US & Canada

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, corporate media ran by corporate America.

Now why would anyone think you hate corporations?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can understand the "what do they want?" portion, the "they just want a hand out" crap is a bit lame and probably exaggerated to the fullest. That's what they want you to believe.

Again, corporate media ran by corporate America.

Not like that chopped up video you posted that blocked out the cops telling those protesters about them getting ready to hit them with tear gas over and over again for 5 minutes.

[mlmpetert]

A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%' | MRCTV

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

A 1 Percenter's thoughts:

Peter Schiff takes on 'The 99%', Part 2 | MRCTV

His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.


Rich guy makes 100,000,000 and pays 1% tax so he pays $1,000,000 in taxes. Middle class guy makes $50,000 and pays 30% in taxes so he pays $15,000 in taxes. So in the end the rich guy pays more, but is he paying his fair share? Hell no...lol He's paying 1% as compared to the guy paying 30%.

(those numbers were used as an example)


Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.

Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

I see your guarantee and raise you the IRS's guarantee that your wrong:



How Much Money Do The Top Income Earners Make By Percentage? | Financial Samurai

1 Percenters on average like Peter Schiff pay 23.27% of their income to taxes, while us 99 percenters on average pay less then 12.24%. Lets say the IRS is wrong though and the all the poeple around him do pay a higher percent then he does, would you support a flat tax so that everyone, regardless of social class, is treated equally?

And if you replaced "wealthy" with anyother minority or even majority group of people it sounds pretty conspiracy theoryish or hatefull. Jut sayin

[over the mountain]

OVERDRAFT FEES BY BANK OF AMERICA

1 example of corporate greed effecting my hard earned livelyhood and am sure im not the only bank of america customer.

Ive had a BofA checking account for about 7 years now. As a student then a low wage working person I sometimes would go over my limit. Sometimes i would check my account after a weekend and I would be -300 plus when i figured i only really spent $50 or so more than my balance. This happened sometimes 2-3 times a month when I was real real broke.

More than a few times i went into BofA and vented that it wasnt right that they would charge me 35 dollars for a 6 dolar, sometimes 3 dollar purchase. they told me i should be aware of my balance and to use internet banking to keep a close watch and also recomend having overdraft protection. i really was pissed on more than a few occassions with them.

i got something in the mail about 6 months ago saying there is a class action lawsuit against BofA. when someone like me would be close to their balance, BofA would run the bigger charges first to make me go over quicker, that way they could charge me as many 35 overdraft fees as possible on the smaller purchases.

example of charges for a weekend (when bars/restaurants hold their weekend charges)

I have $115 balance.

I have pending charges in order of purchase date/time of:
$4.50
$9
$12
$23
$2.50
$7.50
$87
$56

BofA would run the $87 and $56 dollar charges first even though they were the last charges made, that way i overdraft quicker. then they would run the $4, $9, $7.50 charges etc so they get $35 a piece.

you wanna know the real kick in the nuts? to exempt out of the class action so you can sue BofA personally they directed you to a website. you had to opt out by some date in october. when i tried to go to the website in september to exempt myself the website wasnt up and running yet.

so now im going to get a check for a less than $10 even though BofA has done this scam on me for years and gotten close to a thousand dollar off me (no exagerration). to make my nuts hurt even worse, these sleeze ball attorneys are going to get 40% of the certified class action settlement before any of us millions of effected BofA victims get our pennies.

a third kick in the nuts. BofA bought my freakin home mortgage the second i bought a house. those bastards.

Details on Filing Claims for BofA Overdraft Settlement Arrive-

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

OVERDRAFT FEES BY BANK OF AMERICA


a third kick in the nuts. BofA bought my freakin home mortgage the second i bought a house. those bastards.

Details on Filing Claims for BofA Overdraft Settlement Arrive-

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

i saw this, havent read up on it yet. ive threatened to leave BofA before but they bank on people like me going for the lazy convenient way.

since they bought out my mortgage its nice to just transfer over money from my checking to pay monthly.

bastards i really want to switch.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead


Oh wait.

Where and when has anyone suggested that "protesting doesn't work"? Effective, relevant and goal oriented protesting has always been an effective way of creating change. In this case, the protest was incredibly effective b/c it had a specific goal and manifesting the protest by creating an tangible economic measure - loss of customers.

There was a specific goal: eliminate fees, and a specific course of action directly relevant to that goal: take your money out of a bank that imposes fees. Simple, easy and direct.

Right now, as Lotus eloquently pointed out earlier and others have reiterated, OWS simply has not articulated a goal that can be accomplished - not a simple one, not a complex one. Rather, right now, it is just people complaining about problems and that is not, and has never been, an effective way to protest.

[hooskins]

SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hooskins

SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.

Not trying to prove any point. Just found it comical