'Occupy' types

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

drove by occupy balitmore around 9:15 this morning . .ghost camp. just a bunch of zipped up tents. i honestly think there are about 3 people left actually doing the occupy thing in blatimore. the rest just show up on the weekends.

on a side note, had a job interview today. the guy let me know it would require a 60 hour work week. in my head i was thinking of the early scenes in dumber and dumber where they come home from looking for jobs and they say there are no jobs ... unless you want to work 40 hours a week.

would you all work 60 hours a week for over 100k a year? i aint worth it to me. i could make 60-70k working 40 hours a week with the occassional 50-60 hour week sprinkled in there.

They show up on the weekeneds to bang the under age skanks. Nothing like sloopy 100's with a hung over chick who has been sleeping in another guys urinated soaked tent for the past month.

[NC_Skins]

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

Im dont believe cops or mayors have any authority to start changing some laws in their states….. Although I think one of the major duties a police chief or mayor does have is to worry about "occupiers", or any type of civil unrest at the municipality level.

But i think the bigger issue in your statement is who or what are the protestors protesting. If its that that Fed wont regulate banks, shouldnt the protestors be protesting the Fed not Wall Street? Perhaps it should be Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue or Capitol Street?

[Lotus]

Personally I have disagreements with some posters on both sides of this issue.

I know several people who are involved in the Occupy movement. They are intelligent non-hippie people with good jobs and they are not violent. Therefore they defy the stereotypes which are so common in this thread. Instead, they are educated and good-hearted Americans manifesting the same frustration with the rapaciousness of the unregulated rich which drove some of the policies of Teddy Roosevelt. And they are expressing this frustration in an authentic American way. So if you are one of those people in this thread who stereotype Occupy protesters as shiftless and/or violent hippies, you are not understanding the movement in a clear way.

All that said, That Guy and Hooskins are correct. While I admire the utopian ideals of the Occupy movement, their utopianism has prevented them from enunciating discrete, specific goals and discrete, specific paths for realizing those goals. This lack of direction, it seems to me, keeps the Occupy movement as it currently exists from achieving any real change.

Because the frustration which drives the movement will not evaporate even if their movement achieves nothing, the social energy of the movement will not disappear. Instead it will transform into something new with the same themes. In the years to come I think we will see similar social movements which are more focused and directed and thus more productive. American history has shown that you can't keep a populist spirit down too long. If we do not understand this, and instead we stereotype embodiments of this spirit as hippie thugs, we will be unable to cope with the inevitable progression of history.

[JoeRedskin]

Lotus - Unsurprisingly, I agree with you on all points. If I have intimated anything different it was simply my knee-jerk reaction to some other knee jerk reactions and I admit not particularly productive.

My initial observations (way back when) in this thread were simply that, unlike the Tea Party, the OWS'ers are not an effective populist movement at this time. BUT, as saden1 said and you have much more fully analyzed, this is just the start - so it is likely too early to judge in that regard. Perhaps in three years, the political landscape has been radically changed by someone or some group building off the tensions being brought to the fore by the OWS'ers.

For me, I absolutely agree with the OWS'ers that the Market is broken and needs to be fixed but, as I said initially, the devil is in the details and standing in the park doesn't provide the answers.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

Mayors run cities not states.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?

Brilliant

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.

Roadhouse - YouTube

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.

You can mock me all you want. You don't know me and you don't know what I will or will not do. If a guy tells you his limitations, respect that. I have no problem doing any work behind the scenes or giving funds to the movement. You are taking my statement and making the conclusion I wouldn't put any effort into the movement. Why do you have to be on the street to support the movement? You know what you sound like? You sound like some of those Redskins fans that say you aren't a true Redskin fan unless you attend games...lol

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.


Roadhouse - YouTube

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

So if you were there you would have thrown gasoline bombs at the police?
yea right.....

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's the problem. American's have sit back and let their country be taken right from them without a single care. You should be angry too. You should be sick and tired of the bullshit your government is giving you. Then again, maybe you are benefiting from them and don't give a shit because it hasn't affected you yet. Yet being key word. America's biggest downfall has been and will continue to be apathy.

**** those jobless bums!!


Oakland Police Critically Injure Iraq War Vet During Occupy March

**** this war veteran! ****ing piece of shit bum exercising his right to free speech!! GET A JOB YOU HIPPIE!!


The fact that many of you sit up here and just stereotype these people and act like you know why they are there is beyond me. It's sad most of you sit back and listen to the bullshit the media pumps and believe it. Just look at FOX to get a good view on how very much they've slanted this "occupy" movement. It's amazing thing to watch. Turning Americans against their own kind all the while they sit back and laugh because you are again blinded by the crooks in Washington.

I'd like to see a police force try to take on thousand and thousands of people.

Let's be clear, the country was originally forged by people who today would be wall street types. The founding fathers were aristocrats, lawyers, and landowners(at the time a sign of nobility). Protests have always had a reasonable limit to what was accepted/tolerated. The whiskey rebellion for example was put down with quite the heavy hand. I believe Rockefeller made a ton off the backs of the working class, and healthcare was nonexistent. Protests are an important part of our society, and I don't see any tanks barrelling thru running over innocents, but they also need to have a level of mutual acceptance of the governmental bodies, and respect for private property. This country has made many significant strides when people (be it women, blacks, anti-war, or civil rights) have protested, maybe OWS type protests will accomplish something but I personally doubt their methods will bring the changes they are looking for.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

I think its been stated, but maybe you can clarify, exactly which regulations, at the state or federal level, are you specifically asking to be changed and to what end, again specifics would be appreciated.

[SmootSmack]