The Gameday Thread: Philly at Washington

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Nothing good about a loss period.

I agree Ruh, but you have to take something from each game, even if it is just learning something about your team. Beck should be the man the rest of the way. With him, maybe we can salvage something. We are 3-2, still above .500 and plenty of football left. Six to seven more wins should be good enough for the playoffs. There is no excuse for a team with this type of talent not to at least make the Wildcard round.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

There is no excuse for a team with this type of talent not to at least make the Wildcard round.

I think you are out of your mind. (unless you are referring to the Eagles)

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I think you are out of your mind. (unless you are referring to the Eagles)

I think we have a lot of talent on our team. Enough to get us to 9-7. A new QB might just be what our offense needs to live up to its potential.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I think you are out of your mind. (unless you are referring to the Eagles)

Only Achilles heel to our team is Grossman and our Dbs if they are put man on man. Eliminate those things and we are a better football team. A football team that probably would be undefeated.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Only Achilles heel to our team is Grossman and our Dbs if they are put man on man. Eliminate those things and we are a better football team. A football team that probably would be undefeated.

The comment was that there was no reason with the amount of talent we have on the team that we shouldn't be a wildcard team, the response was, yeah, if we had a real QB, that is probably true...I agree with that...what I don't agree with is that this is a good team with Beck or Grossman...we have been talking about this all offseason, we're we a great 3-1 team?...no...are we a great 3-2 team?...probably not. Here's the truth, we beat bad teams and lose to good ones, we sometimes beat ourselves...that is NOT a playoff team, especially one with the most critical position being manned by a question mark.
It's not as bad as Spurrier's Danny Wuerful man-crush, but it is eerily similar.
2 arrogant offensive minded coaches thinking they can take a QB that no one else wants and turn them into stars.

This game reveals too much Shanny influence over the FO, not getting a good QB. It also reflects the FO not addressing Oline depth as much as we all shouted for...no backup Guard?....reallly?
Those were the 2 big questions I had with the squad going into the season.

I am glad Grossman was pulled, but I don't expect much better from Beck.
I do think that the coaches need to get austin and the other WR's out there too.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The comment was that there was no reason with the amount of talent we have on the team that we shouldn't be a wildcard team, the response was, yeah, if we had a real QB, that is probably true...I agree with that...what I don't agree with is that this is a good team with Beck or Grossman...we have been talking about this all offseason, we're we a great 3-1 team?...no...are we a great 3-2 team?...probably not. Here's the truth, we beat bad teams and lose to good ones, we sometimes beat ourselves...that is NOT a playoff team, especially one with the most critical position being manned by a question mark.
It's not as bad as Spurrier's Danny Wuerful man-crush, but it is eerily similar.
2 arrogant offensive minded coaches thinking they can take a QB that no one else wants and turn them into stars.

This game reveals too much Shanny influence over the FO, not getting a good QB. It also reflects the FO not addressing Oline depth as much as we all shouted for...no backup Guard?....reallly?
Those were the 2 big questions I had with the squad going into the season.

I am glad Grossman was pulled, but I don't expect much better from Beck.
I do think that the coaches need to get austin and the other WR's out there too.

You can't get it all in one year. This years draft was the best draft this team has had in a long, long, long time.

We went primarily defense this year. We'll go primarily offense next year. The point is keep improving and I think we did that this year. Will we be good enough to make the playoffs, that remains to be seen. But this team is better - the Defense is MUCH better.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You can't get it all in one year. This years draft was the best draft this team has had in a long, long, long time.

We went primarily defense this year. We'll go primarily offense next year. The point is keep improving and I think we did that this year. Will we be good enough to make the playoffs, that remains to be seen. But this team is better - the Defense is MUCH better.

I completely agree with your assessment...but I still think this is a 7-9 team with the current "talent" that some believe is some sort of playoff team or a division winner. I don't mean to be a downer...because this "team" is FAR superior to last years in many categories, Oline, Dline, LB, Free safety, Special Teams, WR, RB....which is basically every position except one...the QB.
And as the QB goes, the team goes...the Skins have not had a strong QB since Rypien, and a young Trent Green who never really started for us. Our teams need dominating defenses because we cant seem to secure a talented QB...well at least they "tried" wth McNabb...but the cupboard is still bare and we will hover around average until we secure someone with SERIOUS non Becklike Upside. Just don't get all your hopes dashed again this year, YES we are rebuilding and have been for the last 2 years...we rebuild the first 2 years EVERY TIME we change coaches.

I love the Skins, they are tougher, and younger and better, but that will likely not translate to bonus games because we are SOOOO Good for another year or two. Just enjoy the wins when they come....at least well get one every other week rather than once a month...and that is a very good thing!

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The comment was that there was no reason with the amount of talent we have on the team that we shouldn't be a wildcard team, the response was, yeah, if we had a real QB, that is probably true...I agree with that...what I don't agree with is that this is a good team with Beck or Grossman...we have been talking about this all offseason, we're we a great 3-1 team?...no...are we a great 3-2 team?...probably not. Here's the truth, we beat bad teams and lose to good ones, we sometimes beat ourselves...that is NOT a playoff team, especially one with the most critical position being manned by a question mark.
It's not as bad as Spurrier's Danny Wuerful man-crush, but it is eerily similar.
2 arrogant offensive minded coaches thinking they can take a QB that no one else wants and turn them into stars.



This game reveals too much Shanny influence over the FO, not getting a good QB. It also reflects the FO not addressing Oline depth as much as we all shouted for...no backup Guard?....reallly?
Those were the 2 big questions I had with the squad going into the season.

I am glad Grossman was pulled, but I don't expect much better from Beck.
I do think that the coaches need to get austin and the other WR's out there too.

Totally agree with you dude on your analysis, but talent wise I still say we are capable of a Wildcard if things are tweaked or situations are avoided, like going man on man coverage with a defensive backfield that isn't the best, or the worst in the NFL. A decent overall gameplan that makes strategic sense also would help.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Totally agree with you dude on your analysis, but talent wise I still say we are capable of a Wildcard if things are tweaked or situations are avoided, like going man on man coverage with a defensive backfield that isn't the best, or the worst in the NFL. A decent overall gameplan that makes strategic sense also would help.

The problem with many of us as fans is we have unrealistic expectations of this team. We have a team with a lot of young studs and stop gap players in key positions. This is not a 12 or 9 win team right now. I think we could luck up and win 9 games but I don't see us being able to do it year in and year out. Until we address the qb position we will continue to struggle with teams who have a good passing game. We need a guy who can go out and compete with guys like Rogers, Rivers, Brees, etc.