What's your take on our coaching?

[skinsfaninok]

Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?

[Alvin Walton]

I don't trust Kyle Shanahan.
Our play calling is downright bizarre at times.
I'm fine with Mike Shanahan for now.

[irish]

Originally Posted by budw38

Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?

That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by irish

That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.

Yes , the team would have to play better , however with both dallas and Philly losing 3 and 4 games already , we would have a shot . Of course losing KL and TW is not going to help . I look at it this way , on OFF we are a good QB and WR away from being pretty good , defense , we have 4 guys that are either playing new postions ( Cofield / Kerrigan ) and guys with little starting experience ( Bowens /J. Wilson ) so we have done well on D .

[Lotus]

Kyle drives me nuts. To be sure, he is an excellent designer of pass plays and seems to always get someone open. But his playcalling, especially in the red zone, is suspect. And his game planning seems dim. This team needs to run to win, especially against poor run defenses, but Kyle appears to be unaware of this, just as he seemed unaware of the run when he was in Houston.

Mike has brought us a professionalism which was sorely lacking before and I appreciate it. But he lacks the necessary professional relationship with his offensive coordinator. When it is time to tweak things, does he undertake the actions appropriate for a head coach? And if/when it is time to find a new OC, will Mike recognize this and follow through appropriately?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Kyle drives me nuts. To be sure, he is an excellent designer of pass plays and seems to always get someone open. But his playcalling, especially in the red zone, is suspect. And his game planning seems dim. This team needs to run to win, especially against poor run defenses, but Kyle appears to be unaware of this, just as he seemed unaware of the run when he was in Houston.

Mike has brought us a professionalism which was sorely lacking before and I appreciate it. But he lacks the necessary professional relationship with his offensive coordinator. When it is time to tweak things, does he undertake the actions appropriate for a head coach? And if/when it is time to find a new OC, will Mike recognize this and follow through appropriately?

I'll say this about Laurainitis' pick of Rex Grossman: it was a poorly designed trap pass. For all the talk about how great of a play designer KS is, he designed a play where its a two receiver route, and the receivers (who cross off the snap) sit down in the linebacker's coverage zone. That Grossman pick was on KS.

He's definitely got a bit of John Shoop in him. I don't think he understands coverages too well, or at least the difference between anticipating man coverage and anticipating zone coverage. And I think that's an important ability of a playcaller which he doesn't have.

He could cover up a lot of these issues by calling more 4 and 5 receiver patterns. But Kyle and Mike both put a huge premium on protecting the QB. Such a huge premium that our offense is limited because of it.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Kyle drives me nuts. To be sure, he is an excellent designer of pass plays and seems to always get someone open. But his playcalling, especially in the red zone, is suspect. And his game planning seems dim. This team needs to run to win, especially against poor run defenses, but Kyle appears to be unaware of this, just as he seemed unaware of the run when he was in Houston.

Mike has brought us a professionalism which was sorely lacking before and I appreciate it. But he lacks the necessary professional relationship with his offensive coordinator. When it is time to tweak things, does he undertake the actions appropriate for a head coach? And if/when it is time to find a new OC, will Mike recognize this and follow through appropriately?

Brilliant post Lotus. This sharpens up the concerns I wanted to express.

Good point as well about the offensive scheme in Houston! I don't think that team developed a dominant ground attack until Kyle left, and now we seem to see him "wasting" our talent in that regard. It's pretty ironic considering Mike's history as one of the sports most successful rushing-scheme coaches.

As others have said w/ injuries to the o-line the best way to get that unit going is to run the rock and grind away at the defense. Committing to the run is also a great idea when half your QB's completions are to the wrong effing team.

...hate you Kyle lol.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. BUT...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. BUT...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?

He obviously knows he doesnt really have a QB, his WRs are not much to brag about, and his O line stinks. He has his system and he's trying to install it as SOP for the team while the talent that can run his system is brought in.

IMO it was the same with Hazlette last year. Everyone was screaming that he's an idiot who should know he doesnt have the talent to run his D and should switch but guess what, he got some talent and now his D looks pretty good. Its gonna be the same for Kyle. He's got very little talent now but will keep getting more and as that happens and the team gets used to his system things will improve.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by irish

He obviously knows he doesnt really have a QB, his WRs are not much to brag about, and his O line stinks. He has his system and he's trying to install it as SOP for the team while the talent that can run his system is brought in.

IMO it was the same with Hazlette last year. Everyone was screaming that he's an idiot who should know he doesnt have the talent to run his D and should switch but guess what, he got some talent and now his D looks pretty good. Its gonna be the same for Kyle. He's got very little talent now but will keep getting more and as that happens and the team gets used to his system things will improve.

Mike said he had two QBs. He had a competition in camp. HAHA! WRs are straight not an excuse. O-line, if he knows he needs linemen then why wasn't he drafting any? This is year two not year one. Compare this rebuilding job to GibbsII. Joe was better by far. I miss Joe everyday and pray Taylor is doing well.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Mike said he had two QBs. He had a competition in camp. HAHA! WRs are straight not an excuse. O-line, if he knows he needs linemen then why wasn't he drafting any? This is year two not year one. Compare this rebuilding job to GibbsII. Joe was better by far. I miss Joe everyday and pray Taylor is doing well.

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

Seriously. Nothing like the hyperbole on the Monday after a division loss.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

In 2005 Gibbs was coming off a 6-10 season and was also 3-2 at this point in the season. Maybe we should give this some more time to play out before we say who was better.

Agreed Beck to the future!!!