What's your take on our coaching?

[IrMitchell]

My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.

But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.

If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

Out of those 5 games Grossman has played 5 maybe 6 good quarters of football. I think with Armstrong out and our lack of deep threat our offense has been getting exploited a bit, but this team right now is built to stay in football games and keep them close. It's been like that every game this season, and will continue to be but it doesn't exclude the fact that we wont win some/most of them.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "experiment fail". I saw a quarterback competition in the off season and Rex won that competition, but as many Redskin fans knew... This wasn't the last we would see of John Beck this year and I was one of them.

I think one of our main weaknesses that are being exploited right now is our ability to throw the football when teams stack the box against us, and turning the ball over. I remember watching the coaching show last week, and Mike Shanahan brought up a great point. Great teams will be in the playoffs with a +5-+10 turnover ratio. It's hard to be critical against our run defense today when the Eagles have been running all over everyone. MCcoy is one of the top 5 running backs in the league right now, and when you add in the best running QB of all time. They are going to move the football...

Only thing that blew up today was our lack of taking care of the football, and not being able to score on our opponents side of the field like we haven't been able to since I can remember. Still only losing by 7 may I remind you. Also, Redskins Nations fans ideas about how they think the team should be run, or what they know that the highly paid NFL coaches don't. If that was the case then half of our people here would be on the field with the headset right now.

The Eagles exploited Rex's lack of making a lot of throws/reads today. They took away his over the middle cushion and under route throws and it showed today.

-Missing two offensive lineman
-Missing your deep threat at WR
-Missing your starting RB
-Turn the ball over 4 times
-Make crucial penalties on 3rd and long, and 1st down
-Orakpo and Kerrigan's discipline or lack there of on defense

You're not going to win a lot of games this way. Shoot, I would go and say you most likely wont win against ANY team in the NFL playing this way.

So in my eyes, the fail today was the Redskins. Was their some coaching mistakes? Sure, there was on both sides of the football just like in almost every football game. To jump off the bridge and just call the Redskins a below .500 team when we are sitting a 3-2 is an opinionated statement because we have no idea what the limitations of this team are.

My opinion is they are a above .500 football team

[saden1]

My take is they were idiotic for not maintaining control over what Rex was doing. He was just chucking it down field for the sake of chucking it and that's just not how you play the position. Kyle's playcalling was awful and they never managed to make an adjustment on offense until it was too late.

I give them an F for looking like complete fools.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

Not if you make a dramatic change to the defense. While our D is now decent (maybe even good) after a horrible year last season, we still spent money and draft picks to fix something that wasnt broken. The opportunity cost of doing that is in my opinion reflected on our offense.

I dont think Mike should be on the hot seat by any means but i think Kyle should be. But thats the problem with hiring your friend or family (regardless of merit), the situation is much more dynamic that just business.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

Exactly............it just seems that we are dead in the water.....not getting any better or any worse.... 5-11 team year in and year out

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.

Has nothing to do with being a SB contender. This team isn't competing period. It looks in dissarray almost as bad as the Spurrier and Zorn tenures here. We get our proverbial ass kicked by Carolina after a bye week and an extra week to prepare. Then we get shutout in Toronto of all places. You can rebuild and still be a competitive team. Norv was rebuilding also, but remained pretty competitive for the most part. Same with Schotty. Sorry Charlie, but we have seen this scenario a few too many times in the last decade or so. You already have teammates chewing each other out, the fingers are starting to point. Pretty soon the coaching staff loses the lockerroom, etc and you are toast. IF Shanny doesn't rectify the situation he deserves to be thrown out on his keister. This isn't about the W/L column per say anymore, it is about getting a real football team on the field on Sunday.

[GusFrerotte]

I voted for the Hot Seat, and I can't believe anyone in here wouldn't vote the same. Hot Seat doesn't mean getting fired, it means being held accountable for doing a job. The players are overpaid, but so is Shanny in my opinion. That goes for his entire coaching staff. The team looks in total disarray, being unprepared and at times looking totally lost on the field. That is inexcusable for a guy that is getting such a fat salary. It is almost like a Wall St CEO that gets a fat bonus for letting his company go down the tubes. Yeah, you get a ton of folks that want the CEO to burn in hell, but oh no, don't put the coach on the little ole hot seat. Right now the Shanaplan doesn't exist, and he needs to feel the heat.