Smoot Lays the Smack Down

[skinsfan69]

Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.

Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".

Memo to Coach Shanahan: If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".

Memo to Coach Shanahan: If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

The offense should've been in two-minute drill mode since Beck took over (a quarter too late IMO).

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The offense should've been in two-minute drill mode since Beck took over (a quarter too late IMO).

Totally agree with you. But in other games I have not seen a decent 2 min drill out of this team. I was screaming at the TV watching the OL slowly get up, slowly walk to the huddle, slowly walk to the line, and not hike the ball for like 10 seconds. Or they didn't huddle and would slowly walk to the line and stand there looking around, the WR would trott back to the LOC, slowly set up and again waist 10 seconds with out hiking the ball.

I just didn't get it. Maybe they just are not there yet as a team, maybe it will come next year, but what I'm afraid is this is just not the coaching staffs style. I'd like to see a team put on this field that acts like the Colts when they are down and run a no huddle and win a game but for whatever reason the Skins never have this. It's always slow and methodical.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Totally agree with you. But in other games I have not seen a decent 2 min drill out of this team. I was screaming at the TV watching the OL slowly get up, slowly walk to the huddle, slowly walk to the line, and not hike the ball for like 10 seconds. Or they didn't huddle and would slowly walk to the line and stand there looking around, the WR would trott back to the LOC, slowly set up and again waist 10 seconds with out hiking the ball.

I just didn't get it. Maybe they just are not there yet as a team, maybe it will come next year, but what I'm afraid is this is just not the coaching staffs style. I'd like to see a team put on this field that acts like the Colts when they are down and run a no huddle and win a game but for whatever reason the Skins never have this. It's always slow and methodical.

Shanahan should show the team the 4th quarter of the Pats/Cowturds game. Brady was running a semi-no-huddle the whole quarter, and was running a straight up no-huddle at the end. The Cowgirls defense was gasping for air at the end.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

I was annoyed by that too, and Fox's commentators noted it as well. Gotta figure that it was largely due to Beck not having regular reps w/the 1st team. Still, your backup should be able to come in & run the 2 minute offense. I wonder if Shanny was trying to give the D more rest & figured that Beck would be more successful at the regular pace.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.

Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, brutal call. What really got me was that Vick intentionally grounded. So even if Rak got flagged for his hit, it still should have been offsetting penalties.

It should have been a safety but instead Philly got a free first down. Ugh.

IMO that was the turning point, they went on to roll us up after that drive

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

IMO that was the turning point, they went on to roll us up after that drive

I felt that way at first, but sorry, the D has to step up, that's not an excuse for them to then rattle of a long TD drive. At some point you have to stop them on that drive.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I felt that way at first, but sorry, the D has to step up, that's not an excuse for them to then rattle of a long TD drive. At some point you have to stop them on that drive.

kinda hard wen they are holding on every single play and not getting.called.for.it..... like we were all game ...

[CrazyCanuck]

Rex - I was in the "if it ain't broke" camp with Rex. But this game was the last straw, I'm done with this guy for good. It's not even the picks per se. It's the fact that Rex has zero game management skills. It's like he's playing Madden from his couch.. against the computer!! That pick in the 3rd right after we intercepted Vince was UNACCEPTABLE. If Rex was a gunslinging rookie I'd cut him some slack. But to see that from a veteran QB tells me there's no hope with this guy. I'm done with his care-free out-of-shape attitude. I can't think of a single scenario where I want to see Rex start again. I'd rather watch Beck throw 7 picks.

D - better in the 2nd half but we got steamrolled in the first half. It was a mini version of last year. And how do we not stop McCoy in the last 2 minutes??? Everyone knows he's getting the ball but we're still powerless. Weak. Eagles deserve some credit they ran a good game plan but still... our D is not there yet.

McIntosh - very bad game right after one of his best games. See chicken pic above.

Secondary - sucks. Can't understand why we're giving 15-yard cushions on 30-yard passes. I like Josh Wilson but he took a step back yesterday. Landry is the best cover guy in our secondary and that's a scary thought.

Refs - won't blame the refs for this loss but that call on Orakpo sucked ass. Changed the whole momentum of the game too.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Rex - I was in the "if it ain't broke" camp with Rex. But this game was the last straw, I'm done with this guy for good. It's not even the picks per se. It's the fact that Rex has zero game management skills. It's like he's playing Madden from his couch.. against the computer!! That pick in the 3rd right after we intercepted Vince was UNACCEPTABLE. If Rex was a gunslinging rookie I'd cut him some slack. But to see that from a veteran QB tells me there's no hope with this guy. I'm done with his care-free out-of-shape attitude. I can't think of a single scenario where I want to see Rex start again. I'd rather watch Beck throw 7 picks.

D - better in the 2nd half but we got steamrolled in the first half. It was a mini version of last year. And how do we not stop McCoy in the last 2 minutes??? Everyone knows he's getting the ball but we're still powerless. Weak. Eagles deserve some credit they ran a good game plan but still... our D is not there yet.

McIntosh - very bad game right after one of his best games. See chicken pic above.

Secondary - sucks. Can't understand why we're giving 15-yard cushions on 30-yard passes. I like Josh Wilson but he took a step back yesterday. Landry is the best cover guy in our secondary and that's a scary thought.

Refs - won't blame the refs for this loss but that call on Orakpo sucked ass. Changed the whole momentum of the game too.

Personally I'm not done with Rex yet. He is a solid option at QB and you can't underestimate experience with an offensive system. With that said Beck will hopefully give us not only the mobility and options off playaction but he will cut down on mistakes. If I recall correctly Rex was turning the ball over a little under twice a game since last year.

Still this was the upside of having Rex and Beck at QB. You can yank one without causing a huge distraction. I have barely heard anything on ESPN or NFLN about who will start for the Redskins next week. Compare that to last year when we benched McNabb for a series.

Anyway here's to hoping that Beck is a late bloomer. Until Silverback comes back we're going to need more from our starting QB.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Until Silverback comes back we're going to need more from our starting QB.

Really good point that no one is really discussing with the OL injuries. Grossman is a statue and Beck is very mobile. With Kory L. done for the year and Trent out potentially a few weeks, you have to take that into consideration regarding the QB.