Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

One of my problem with the "Occupy" movement is that, unlike the the Tea Party, the occupy movement is not actually organizing change it's just pouting about the problem. The Tea Party group - regardless of what you think of their message - organized, worked within the system, and elected numerous people who they believed would effect change. They were effective in that many politicians reflecting the "status quo" were defeated despite being backed by "the machine" (as it were). The Occupy folks have a clear and simple way to effect corporate change - buy in. Buy stocks and organize voting blocks within the corporations. It's hard, it's a lot of work, it would involve many setbacks, but there is a way for them to effectively change the structure. There is also, of course, the Tea Party route - identify an agenda, find individuals who support that agenda to run against machine politicians, and work like hell to elect those individuals -- or you can just sit in your own stench and whine. I am sure that will be effective too.7

Read my reply in the other threads to what Occupy Wall Street is about. Speaking of Tea Party.....lol

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Read my reply in the other threads to what Occupy Wall Street is about. Speaking of Tea Party.....lol

I read it - and to quote your response to firstdown: "Nice selective editing".

Do you know if the Tea Party rally in question had a permit? Was acting in conjunction with the appropriate rules and regulations? Were there police/National Guard units on call or outside the vicinity? How about the OWS guy being carted away - Was he blocking traffic? Creating a disruption outside any applicable bounds of any permit? Does it look like any excessive force was being used? Are you asserting that the NYPD is in someway acting inappropriately in its handling of the OWS protestors? Are they being treated differently than any other protestors that show up in downtown Manhattan and encamp en masse in the middle of one of the world's busiest financial district? If so, how? If they encamped at a big field in "middle america" do you think there would be the same police response as the one provided by the NYPD? .... But you go ahead and compare apples to oranges and call them all bananas - I know that's how you roll.

Yup. The Tea Party got folks elected to public office under threat of violence and the OWS guys are simply victims of "the man". What a nice, typical way for you to oversimpify the issues.

As I said in this thread, I don't have a problem with a lot of the OWS message. Also, as I indicated, regardless of whether you agree with their message, the Tea Party has actually gotten people elected and is having a tangible effect on the legislation being enacted. Meanwhile, the OWS movement is very effectively making a squatter's camp and not much else. One group created an effective grass roots/populist movement that is actually having an effect on the national discussion. The other is pissing in a park.

I don't care which you (or anyone else) supports - I would just suggest that one has taken a practical approach to acheive its goals while the other has not.