Carolina Panthers vs Washington Redskins Gameday Thread

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 44ever

After todays game it's obvious Beck is the least of our problems. Thats a scary thing to have to admit. But true. WTF happened to our D?

For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.

Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.

Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Yeah, the D let us down today, no doubt. But apart from the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens, and the '08 Steelers, in my lifetime I haven't seen a defense shut down each and every offense they face week after week. And I certainly wouldn't expect that from this defense.

There's going to be a game here and there when a geniunely good defense has a bad outing. There ought to be ONE game when the offense can pick up the slack. We haven't seen that from this bunch since week one.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Yeah, the D let us down today, no doubt. But apart from the '85 Bears, the 2000 Ravens, and the '08 Steelers, in my lifetime I haven't seen a defense shut down each and every offense they face week after week. And I certainly wouldn't expect that from this defense.

There's going to be a game here and there when a geniunely good defense has a bad outing. There ought to be ONE game when the offense can pick up the slack. We haven't seen that from this bunch since week one.

All those guys you mentioned are starters, so yeah that's a lot of resources. The D has let us down a lot this season, it's just been overshadowed by the sorry a$$ offense.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

All those guys you mentioned are starters, so yeah that's a lot of resources. The D has let us down a lot this season, it's just been overshadowed by the sorry a$$ offense.

Huh? Let's go through it game by game...

Giants, week one: Held them to 14 points, second half shut out.

Cardinals, week two: Allowed 21 points, offense bailed us out.

Dallas, week three: No TDs allowed.

Rams, week four: Gave up 10 points.

Eagles, week six: Second half shutout. Offense was good for 13 points.

Panthers, -- straw that broke the camel's back.

And I didn't go back and look at how many of those points came after a turnover by our offense. Up until today, the D is one of the few bright spots this year.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.

Cofield & J. Jenkins (out of course)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well given the resources put into the defense, you'd expect them to do what they had done (keep us in games) and more.

I think the defense has lived upto the expectations we had for it when we invested in it this offseason. I don't think it has exceeded expectations. We're still in the top ten in pretty much any statistical category with meaning.

Now if we replaced guys like McIntosh, Doughty, and Barnes would we be better off? For sure. Those guys never miss an opportunity to fail. But the offense is way worse than three players short: it doesn't have a foundation.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

For the first time all season, they gave out in all four quarters of the game. In every game leading up to today, they've either held teams to field goals (Dallas) or they've been good for shutting opponents down for almost a complete half (Giants, Rams, Eagles). They've kept us in practically every game until today.

At some point, your offense needs to take over and win the game for the team.

Agree.