'Occupy' types

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can agree with a majority of what you said, and without a doubt it's no easy task to monitor that many people all the while having your other duties. If anything, you just block the area and let it be. No sense of igniting something that shouldn't be ignited. Who cares in the end if a street or two is blocked off?

Except that everyone, not just the protestors have a right to use public property. What if you live or work there? What if your livelihood requires others to be able to reach you there? What if your health or safety requires routine access to the area either b/c you live there or you need something from the area? As usual, it's just not as simple as you try to make it.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I disagree with the "investigation" bullshit though. How many times have we seen these "investigations" only to clear the cop of any and all wrong doing even though there is significant evidence to prove otherwise? Hell, even the cops in the Rodney King beating were cleared...lol That's my biggest issue with cops now. It's not that cops do these bad things, it's that their leadership covers for them and hides the truth.

Undoubtedly, cops cover up cops actions. At the same time, I would suggest that police are also being subject to sanctions more often than at any time in history. In the era of internet, facebook and youtube, it is much more difficult for officers to escape scrutiny as they have in the past. Are there still abuses? Undoubtedly. Is there more accountability than there was even 30 years ago? I believe that also to be true.

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently recharged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently recharged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...

State lost out. It was the Feds that got the civil rights conviction.

Let's be honest. The only reason the Feds even bothered is because of the riot (and racial explosion) that happened after the not guilty verdict. There have been a many of other cases where it gets swept under the rug. You know this and I know this.

Had there been no video, this would have never came to light.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Except that everyone, not just the protestors have a right to use public property. What if you live or work there? What if your livelihood requires others to be able to reach you there? What if your health or safety requires routine access to the area either b/c you live there or you need something from the area? As usual, it's just not as simple as you try to make it.



Undoubtedly, cops cover up cops actions. At the same time, I would suggest that police are also being subject to sanctions more often than at any time in history. In the era of internet, facebook and youtube, it is much more difficult for officers to escape scrutiny as they have in the past. Are there still abuses? Undoubtedly. Is there more accountability than there was even 30 years ago? I believe that also to be true.

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently recharged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...

Give me a fcking break...the real bottom line is they were caught giving an Oscar worthy beat-down and managed to avoided getting their salad tossed in prison. It's no secrete that in America 10 white jurors let alone one is one too many to criminally convict white police officers "doing their job."

But hey, everyone deserves a fair trial and not guilty means not guilty. If lady Karma got to O.J. I am confident she will get at them too..

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Give me a fcking break...the real bottom line is they were caught giving an Oscar worthy beat-down and managed to avoided getting their salad tossed in prison. It's no secrete that in America 10 white jurors let alone one is one too many to criminally convict white police officers "doing their job."

But hey, everyone deserves a fair trial and not guilty means not guilty. If lady Karma got to O.J. I am confident she will get at them too..

Okay, fine. I am not in any way shape or form defend the cops in the R. King matter. My only point is that, while still benefitting from internal protections, police are subject to higher levels of scrutiny and are subject to sanction than at any time in the past.