Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition

[skinsfaninok]

This team sucks plain and simple they are boring as **** with no playmakers, id rather go 3-13 with a good offense (Carolina) then 5-11 with our team YUCK

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April. Unbelievable.

I love it. Short and sweet. Lol.

[#56fanatic]

Beck sucks, lets get the obvious out of the way. The offensive line didn't help him much today, but man he was just horrible yesterday. Holding on to the ball too long, missing open receivers, badly over throwing receivers on deep balls, throwing into bad coverages. With that being said, I have been a supporter of keeping Rex as the starter since this whole John Beck thing started. You dont bench your starting QB when you are 3-2, or even halfway through a game when your 3-1. It just sends the wrong message to your team that the winning record isn't what it is. Yes the offense struggled, but the last two weeks it seems as though the defense is really pressing and inturn giving up a lot of big plays. I think it sent a message to the entire team, and not a good one. The D gave up yards to and points to philly, but really shut them down the 2nd half. When Beck was named starter, we can't stop anyone. What ever the reason it seems to have had a negative impact on the D.

Now, how do you go back to Rex?? Or i guess in Mikes case, you dont unless you say that Beck has some sort of injury or is out of shape, or lazy, or refuses to wear a wrist band. I am sure he can come up with something.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Good evening, SS has the night off.

Wow, what really needs to be said here?

I'm smacking down the entire team and organization. Just a piss poor performance all around.

We could seriously be looking at a top 10 pick in April. Unbelievable.

And the last 3 games didnt tell you that. Great breakdown. Congrats Redskins you gave the faithfull 2 weeks this year to get their hopes up, you gave us 1 last year, next year maybe 3. Keep rebuilding things are looking great Playoffs by 2020!! BTW thanks for showing of Canadian friends up north what a crappy organization looks like, im sure we'll get the Europe game next year, so you can show the world "This is how you dont do it" !!!!!!!

[skinsfaninok]

Skins didnt want Ponder or gabbert obviously so Kerrigan was a great pick IMO

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Skins didnt want Ponder or gabbert obviously so Kerrigan was a great pick IMO

I'm too lazy to go look but was Andy Dalton off the board prior to our second pick Jenkins? I know NT was important and he'll be a beast but I wanted Dalton and still think he would have been perfect for us.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm too lazy to go look but was Andy Dalton off the board prior to our second pick Jenkins? I know NT was important and he'll be a beast but I wanted Dalton and still think he would have been perfect for us.

Dalton was picked at #35, we got Jenkins at #41...

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Dalton was picked at #35, we got Jenkins at #41...

ok thanks. we probably should have packaged some draft picks some how to move up.

[Jontrem]

I just read through these posts quickly and wanted to say a few things.

1) I am hoping we don't get rid of MS. What we need in this organization is some freaking consistency! If we keep changing coaches every two years we will never improve.

2) I dont think anyone on this board ever thought that we had our Qb of the future on the team this year. Everyone seemed okay with BA/MS's plan not to draft a QB last year as it got us Kerrigan and a ton of extra picks. We just have to remember they do have a plan!

3) So I am going to take a few deep breaths and remember that none of us thought we would be very good this year anyway. So I am going to start watching the games from a standpoint of looking for improvement in the players listed below. I think in the end I will start enjoying my Sundays alot more.

Kerrigan
Orakpo
Austin
Paul
Hankerson
Davis
Helu
Carriker

[SmootSmack]

A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

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As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

SS,yes you have injuries and yes all teams do ,your defense is solid.As with other teams that have lost full positions to injuries,whole D lines or all the corners....players have to step up and execute and coachs have to realize this and call a game that is to his teams abilities,yes you need a QB but I just don't think the Skins are as far away as some here think.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

A lot of people seem to believe, and these are people I don't have any reason to doubt, that if Locker was there at 10 we would have taken him.

As you may recall, I was a big proponent of drafting Locker last year. And more importantly a big proponent of drafting at least one QB. But, even though we didn't I thought we made some good acquisitions and this will take time.

As I said, I didn't watch any of yesterday's games so I can't really comment on it. I think overall though we are being decimated by injuries. And yes every team has to deal with them, but most don't really deal with them well. What the Packers did last year was the exception, not at all the norm.

I also think there is talent here that's not being used right. I don't know who is to blame, but it sure seems like Helu could use more touches. And that Austin should get the ball thrown to him more.

And as for Beck, you guys know I was never really on the Beckwagon but once he was named our starter I was certainly rooting for him. And to hear, as I did yesterday, that Beck "gave up"...is disconcerting to say the least

It's been a tough stretch for sure. And yesterday's game, by all indications was an embarassment. Now's the time to see if this team (regardless of the fans, because they don't really matter here) is prepared to fight through this or will they just roll over as we've seen in years past?

Not buying the injures excuse. Every team has them and the better teams/organizations overcome them. The Eagles had O-line issues and they overcame them. Yesterday I saw a team that was outcoached. If your o-line is having trouble blocking a below average Bills d-line then make adjustments. Leave in more blockers, run some 3 step drops, run a screen or two, roll the pocket, run some quick hitting run plays...we did none of this yesterday!!!!! No adjustments!!!!!!!! You know where I'm going with this. Kyle needs to go. Yeah he can run an offense when everything is perfect for him. Most NFL OC's can. But what makes a really good OC is when a guy see's what he has and works a game plan or a system around that. See Jim Harbaugh, Chan Gailey and whoever the OC is for Carolina. I mean Jim Harbaugh is throwing passes to his O-linemen yesterday. Those guys can coach offense. Kyle can not, or can't when the chips are down. Oh yeah...Chad Rinehart is a starter on the Bills o-line! Ouch!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not buying the injures excuse. Every team has them and the better teams/organizations overcome them. The Eagles had O-line issues and they overcame them. Yesterday I saw a team that was outcoached. If your o-line is having trouble blocking a below average Bills d-line then make adjustments. Leave in more blockers, run some 3 step drops, run a screen or two, roll the pocket, run some quick hitting run plays...we did none of this yesterday!!!!! No adjustments!!!!!!!! You know where I'm going with this. Kyle needs to go. Yeah he can run an offense when everything is perfect for him. Most NFL OC's can. But what makes a really good OC is when a guy see's what he has and works a game plan or a system around that. See Jim Harbaugh, Chan Gailey and whoever the OC is for Carolina. I mean Jim Harbaugh is throwing passes to his O-linemen yesterday. Those guys can coach offense. Kyle can not, or can't when the chips are down. Oh yeah...Chad Rinehart is a starter on the Bills o-line! Ouch!

Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.

Ta da!!! Kyle was running Kubiak's offense in Houston. Truth be told that was Kubiak not Kyle. He was an offensive head coach's offensive coordinator. We always crying about players, but then they go to other teams and start. The Shanny's have had 2 off seasons and made no progress. They too busy bullying players instead of developing them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.

Are you serious? SF's offense was pathetic last year. Harbaugh has come in there and given that offense an identity. He's instilled confidence in that offense! What's our identity?? One freakin run play and run some stupid ass reverses and then throw the ball and not protect your passer??? And I'm 100% calling out the coaching staff cause they got shut out by a 31st ranked defense!!!!! As I said, if your offense sucks then fine, but AT LEAST show me that you're trying! Show me some diversity! Buffalo ran the wildcat so why aren't we? Why didn't we keep feeding Hankerson after he made a nice play? Why do we have one run play? Why do they rotate 50 wr's every week? Why don't we keep in extra blockers? I could go on and on. Kyle sucked shit yesterday and he's sucked for pretty much the entire year. No way to sugar coat it. FIRE YOUR KID MIKE. ENOUGH!!!!