What's your take on our coaching?

[MTK]

Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.

It's hard to run the ball with only one running play. The defense already knows what we're going to run. If that one play isn't working then time to put in some more run plays. Time to put Banks in the wildcat. Buffalo did it so why can't we? Kyle has no idea how to diversify his offense.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's hard to run the ball with only one running play. The defense already knows what we're going to run. If that one play isn't working then time to put in some more run plays. Time to put Banks in the wildcat. Buffalo did it so why can't we? Kyle has no idea how to diversify his offense.

With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.

Not buying it. So tired of the injury excuse. One run play isn't what I call a good game plan. How about forcing a below average defense have to prepare for more run plays?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.

Stop saying Banks would be killed or he is to small to play on offense. Damn Banks has been playing football all his life and so far he has not been killed. He did play at Kansas St on offense and special teams. Im not suggesting Banks can play every down but he damn well can play 10 snaps a game on offense. Remember the defense cannot touch wr anymore down field so why not take a few shots with him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.

We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded.

And it is not just the number of runs which lead me to say that we don't try. It is also the variety of plays. We have stretch left and stretch right. That seems to be about it, excluding a brilliant reverse on the second play of the game.

Kyle didn't have a real ground game in Houston, either, but they developed one after he left with much of the same personnel.

In the end, the run may or may not work. But trying to milk a passing game out of Wrecks and Beck has no chance.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

"... [Kyle] just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is."

Originally Posted by Lotus

"We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded."

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the link. Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the link. Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.

Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.

That was my argument in several posts above. I tebow to your post.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

With Wrecks and Beck a decent passing offense is impossible.

What other choice is left but a good faith effort at a running game?

Perhaps a running game won't work. Perhaps. But the passing game has no hope.