Meet The Candidates: 2012 GOP Thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Problem is that Obama has to run on his record and a very poor record he has. His only real thing he can say he did well was killing a few terrorist leaders.

It's sad the US can't muster up a candidate worthy enough to be a half ass shitty President. Then again, the people that would be great candidates would never see the light of day due to political black balling and media favoritism.

It's simple as this. If you want to play ball on the big field, you better be prepared to keep the status quo.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's sad the US can't muster up a candidate worthy enough to be a half ass shitty President. Then again, the people that would be great candidates would never see the light of day due to political black balling and media favoritism.

It's simple as this. If you want to play ball on the big field, you better be prepared to keep the status quo.

Just curious:
- Who is it that you believe is being black balled or slighted due to media favoritism?
- What individuals would put forth as candidates for federal and State office?
- Who are the people you believe should be a candidate for President? For the North Carolina Governor & Senate?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just curious:
- Who is it that you believe is being black balled or slighted due to media favoritism?
- What individuals would put forth as candidates for federal and State office?
- Who are the people you believe should be a candidate for President? For the North Carolina Governor & Senate?

Who is being slighted by the media? This guy for one.

Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues


I'll get back to you on the NC Gov/Senate.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who is being slighted by the media? This guy for one.

Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues


I'll get back to you on the NC Gov/Senate.

You mean we should all give impractical people a forum? Maybe most of us have heard enough from these two clowns for the better part of two decades?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

You mean we should all give impractical people a forum? Maybe most of us have heard enough from these two clowns for the better part of two decades?

Thank you.

If their message resonated with more than a portion of the public, their would be no obstacle to their election. Just b/c the vast majority see both of them as presenting agendas divorced from reality and lacking in practical solutions to complex issues they identify, doesn't mean they haven't been heard.

And, I'm not sure, but I think saden1 and I just agreed on something in the political forum. Way to bring people together NC_Skins!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues

Ralph Nader, who's never received over 3% of the vote in a National election, and normally less than 1%. The anti-corporate champion who's a multi-millionaire.....based off contributions to his non-profits and stock portfolio, including over $ 1M in Cisco stock. As a network engineer I'm sure you're aware of Cisco's heavy-handed corporate practices to dominate the market.

Archive | December 4, 2000 | Ralph Nader, Philanthropist: Is the anti-corporate crusader funding his own nonprofit network?

Ralph Nader (3) | Personal Finance Disclosure | OpenSecrets

Business | Nader discloses finances; net worth $3.8 million | Seattle Times Newspaper

And one of Nader's first claims about the Corsair having a defective rear suspension and rolling over were proved false. The Corsair went out of production...but Nader made money on his book.

Corvair Handling and Stability

But the rest of us are blind.

saden...good call, right on point.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Ralph Nader, who's never received over 3% of the vote in a National election, and normally less than 1%. The anti-corporate champion who's a multi-millionaire.....based off contributions to his non-profits and stock portfolio, including over $ 1M in Cisco stock. As a network engineer I'm sure you're aware of Cisco's heavy-handed corporate practices to dominate the market.

Archive | December 4, 2000 | Ralph Nader, Philanthropist: Is the anti-corporate crusader funding his own nonprofit network?

Ralph Nader (3) | Personal Finance Disclosure | OpenSecrets

Business | Nader discloses finances; net worth $3.8 million | Seattle Times Newspaper

And one of Nader's first claims about the Corsair having a defective rear suspension and rolling over were proved false. The Corsair went out of production...but Nader made money on his book.

Corvair Handling and Stability

But the rest of us are blind.

saden...good call, right on point.

I am always weary of people who utter the phrase "if you read my book [...]" when talking about their policy positions. I don't think I have ever seen an interview by Nadar where he doesn't mention his book. He is living the american dream selling his ideas.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am always weary of people who utter the phrase "if you read my book [...]" when talking about their policy positions. I don't think I have ever seen an interview by Nadar where he doesn't mention his book. He is living the american dream selling his ideas.

You haven't seen many interviews then.

Ralph Nader "The Tea Party Now Is Basically The...

People see what they want to see.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You haven't seen many interviews then.

Ralph Nader "The Tea Party Now Is Basically The Corporatist Wing Of The Republican Party" - YouTube

People see what they want to see.

You absolutely right, I couldn't get past his incoherent speech.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Ralph Nader, who's never received over 3% of the vote in a National election, and normally less than 1%. The anti-corporate champion who's a multi-millionaire.....based off contributions to his non-profits and stock portfolio, including over $ 1M in Cisco stock. As a network engineer I'm sure you're aware of Cisco's heavy-handed corporate practices to dominate the market.

Archive | December 4, 2000 | Ralph Nader, Philanthropist: Is the anti-corporate crusader funding his own nonprofit network?

Ralph Nader (3) | Personal Finance Disclosure | OpenSecrets

Business | Nader discloses finances; net worth $3.8 million | Seattle Times Newspaper

And one of Nader's first claims about the Corsair having a defective rear suspension and rolling over were proved false. The Corsair went out of production...but Nader made money on his book.

Corvair Handling and Stability

But the rest of us are blind.

saden...good call, right on point.

Typical Republican smear tactics. What you have shown me is nothing. Absolutely nothing. So what the guy is net worth at 3.8 million. Did you bother to read those articles? He gets his money from speeches and other works he does. He gives a ton of money away, and doesn't spend much either.

Nader, 66 and single, said he has made $200,000 to $300,000 a year just on speeches for 30 years. Income from writings, television appearances and interest is on top of that. But he said he lives on $25,000.

He last owned a car (a '49 Studebaker) in the late '50s. He went years without a television set but now has a tiny black-and-white; reception is an adventure. He rents an apartment near DuPont Circle and often stays at the family home in Winsted, Conn. He still taps out his books on what he calls a "perilous" Underwood. He keeps meaning to buy a new ribbon.

Nader has plowed millions into his projects, including the establishment of Public Interest Research Groups in 22 states. He has established several research centers devoted to health and safety, taken on the standardized-test industry and championed Native American rights, child protection and solar-energy education.

More recently, he has put about $200,000 into organizing civic-action projects at Princeton University, from which he graduated in 1955, and Harvard Law School, from which he graduated in 1958.

...but lets not look at the issues he supports and lets go for the Republican mantra of...."OOOO LOOK AT THIS IRRELEVANT THING OVER HERE!!"...and find something he failed at and bring it to the forefront. Who gives a shit if he was wrong about some car. In fact, scanning the wikipedia (uggh..I know) of the event, "However, former GM executive John DeLorean asserted in On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors (1979) that Nader's criticisms were valid."

Jesus christ on a cracker. Stop watching Faux news please. It's rotting your brain. You debate exactly like they do. Ignore the issues and go after something irrelevant.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Typical Republican smear tactics. What you have shown me is nothing. Absolutely nothing. So what the guy is net worth at 3.8 million. Did you bother to read those articles? He gets his money from speeches and other works he does. He gives a ton of money away, and doesn't spend much either.

Ah yes, whenever hit with facts that are counter to your position resort to the "Republican smear tactics" line. Maybe you should read the articles.

You don't find the hypocrisy of a guy who is the champion of anti-corporate policies, yet he's become a millionaire giving speeches that are paid for by corporate or special interests and he invests in corporate stock (as of 2000)....in particular Cisco, Wal-mart, Occidental Petroleum, General Dynamics, Bristoll Meyers Squibb.

You find no hypocrisy in a guy who says, In a June 2000 interview with the Washington Post, the stocks he chose were “the most neutral-type companies … No. 1, they’re not monopolists and No. 2, they don’t produce land mines, napalm, weapons.”....yet he's invested in Cisco, one of the worst monolpolists in the tech industry and General Dynamics (through Fidelity Magellan Fund) who certainly builds lots of weapons.

...but lets not look at the issues he supports and lets go for the Republican mantra of...."OOOO LOOK AT THIS IRRELEVANT THING OVER HERE!!"...and find something he failed at and bring it to the forefront. Who gives a shit if he was wrong about some car. In fact, scanning the wikipedia (uggh..I know) of the event, "However, former GM executive John DeLorean asserted in On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors (1979) that Nader's criticisms were valid."

I would say false accusations that led to a model line of car ending production is certainly not irrelevant to GM, or the workers supporting the Corvair. I would also say that making the serious level of accusations leveled at GM.....and then being PROVED wrong by not only the NHTSA, but an independent panel of engineers, irreparably damage Nader's objective credibility.

LOL at referencing DeLorean, certainly he had no ax to grind (or books to sell) with GM.

Jesus christ on a cracker. Stop watching Faux news please. It's rotting your brain. You debate exactly like they do. Ignore the issues and go after something irrelevant.

I'm sorry, I guess multiple, documented, factual, accounts from numerous sources is "Faux News". My brain must be too rotted to get that.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Ah yes, whenever hit with facts that are counter to your position resort to the "Republican smear tactics" line. Maybe you should read the articles.

You don't find the hypocrisy of a guy who is the champion of anti-corporate policies, yet he's become a millionaire giving speeches that are paid for by corporate or special interests and he invests in corporate stock (as of 2000)....in particular Cisco, Wal-mart, Occidental Petroleum, General Dynamics, Bristoll Meyers Squibb.

You find no hypocrisy in a guy who says, In a June 2000 interview with the Washington Post, the stocks he chose were “the most neutral-type companies … No. 1, they’re not monopolists and No. 2, they don’t produce land mines, napalm, weapons.”....yet he's invested in Cisco, one of the worst monolpolists in the tech industry and General Dynamics (through Fidelity Magellan Fund) who certainly builds lots of weapons.

I would say false accusations that led to a model line of car ending production is certainly not irrelevant to GM, or the workers supporting the Corvair. I would also say that making the serious level of accusations leveled at GM.....and then being PROVED wrong by not only the NHTSA, but an independent panel of engineers, irreparably damage Nader's objective credibility.

LOL at referencing DeLorean, certainly he had no ax to grind (or books to sell) with GM.

I'm sorry, I guess multiple, documented, factual, accounts from numerous sources is "Faux News". My brain must be too rotted to get that.

So you think him being wrong about something in the 1960s while fighting for consumer safety is worth mentioning in Presidential qualities?

I'm not understanding how him owning stock has anything to do with his principles or what he stands for. Owning stock doesn't mean he doesn't want to limit corporate greed or get corporate America out of our government. Corporations aren't evil, and I'm quite positive he doesn't think so either. So the stuff you posted is 110% irrelevant to his qualifications and his stances on the issues.

If you can prove to me he's voted differently (or would vote differently) based on his views, then you might have something. As it is, you are grasping at straws trying to disregard his as a good Presidential candidate.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Who is being slighted by the media? This guy for one.

Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central


Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues


I'll get back to you on the NC Gov/Senate.

Sorry the problem with Nader is the more people see him the more he drops in the poles.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Sorry the problem with Nader is the more people see him the more he drops in the poles.

He's not a pleasant looking guy, but who cares about looks if its not getting you anywhere. So now we care about one's looks than the issues they support.

/facepalm

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He's not a pleasant looking guy, but who cares about looks if its not getting you anywhere. So now we care about one's looks than the issues they support.

/facepalm

Soory, so you didn't realize that when people see someone they have to also hear what he is saying? I was pointing out the more people hear him speake the more they are turned off by his far left leaning. Like some are too far right he is too far left.