Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[SmootSmack]

Latest report is McQueary will not be fired or resigned, but won't be coaching from the sidelines "for his safety"

Hard not to think he knows more and is fired will "blow the whistle" even more. Otherwise why is he still around

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Hard not to think he knows more and is fired will "blow the whistle" even more. Otherwise why is he still around

At this point, who's left that he could sink? I really don't get why he's still around either. It doesn't make a bit of sense. I think you hit the nail on the head earlier on in this thread about sacrificing his silence for promotions.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

At this point, who's left that he could sink? I really don't get why he's still around either. It doesn't make a bit of sense. I think you hit the nail on the head earlier on in this thread about sacrificing his silence for promotions.

idk if its really a question of who else could he sink as much as how much farther he could sink PSU.

the civil lawsuit is going to be focused on PSU's notice of the activities and its failure to warn and rectify in addition to where each individual sexual rape/act occurred.

mcqueary could provide even more ammo for the civil suits.

just weird that grown men would watch or know these acts were happening and didnt want to do anything b/c of fear of rocking the status qou . . is football that big of a deal at PSU? i just cant relate to it. i eould like to think if i was mcqueary i would have acted, and acted violently and loudly, if i was in his shoes.

i was standing at a street corner in silver spring, this guy walks up reclose to this young girl who was waiting to cross the street and had her back turned to him, this older lady and I give each otehr this puzzled look, he then begans to fondle his manhood outside of his pants, and man i just lost it on him, i was cursing him out my blood was boiled, you know when your about to get into a fight and you kinda ask yourself if your gonna pop this guy, my brain ws saying lets go, all hands on deck . . if he wasnt so apologetic i probably would have . .i cursed him all the way across the street up in his face.

the weird thing was i could tell i had the aggression and he was domiciled/not wanting to fight but he made constant eye contact with me the whole time, really bugged me out b/c his body language was submissive but he locked eyes with me . . both ladies thanked me. got back to office called the cops, they sent this fat lady, she said i left the scene and she couldnt take a report. i said well can i give you a description and see if that matches any attacks in the area? she said no. real ****ing lazy bitch, just wasting tax payer money.

just surprised mcqueary didnt go on autopilot and react without thinking . .but then again, thats some unexpected stuff and when something like that,. just so unexpected happens maybe a person locks up?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

just weird that grown men would watch or know these acts were happening and didnt want to do anything b/c of fear of rocking the status qou . . is football that big of a deal at PSU? i just cant relate to it. i eould like to think if i was mcqueary i would have acted, and acted violently and loudly, if i was in his shoes.

It is a big deal but I think it is a bigger deal elsewhere. I really hope this is a lesson to all of these big time sport institutions, that they should not sacrifice morality for their big bucks sports programs.

[NC_Skins]

Guys, I'm telling you. The shit hasn't even hit the fan yet. It's still in its path to the fan currently. Hold onto your jockstraps.

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS

Penn State paid for victim's trip. RT @kzep: Sandusky may face assault charges in San Antonio also Former Penn St. Assistant Coach, accused of assaulting children, could face charges in San Antonio | WOAI LOCAL NEWS - 104.5 KZEP San Antonio's Classic Rock

Jerry Sandusky is accused of taking "Victim 4" to the 1999 Alamo Bowl. That accuser, now 27, testified he was listed as a member of the Sandusky family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

When the boy resisted his advances, Sandusky threatened to send him home from the Alamo Bowl, the report said.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Guys, I'm telling you. The shit hasn't even hit the fan yet. It's still in its path to the fan currently. Hold onto your jockstraps.

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS

Penn State paid for victim's trip. RT @kzep: Sandusky may face assault charges in San Antonio also Former Penn St. Assistant Coach, accused of assaulting children, could face charges in San Antonio | WOAI LOCAL NEWS - 104.5 KZEP San Antonio's Classic Rock

Your right. It will get....much worse before all is known.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

just surprised mcqueary didnt go on autopilot and react without thinking . .but then again, thats some unexpected stuff and when something like that,. just so unexpected happens maybe a person locks up?

Ive been kind of wondering if maybe Mcqueary already knew about Sandusky through rumors or something. I feel like the reaction a normal person would have stumbling upon something like that would be MUCH different. But if you already kind of knew that was going on your reaction may be different.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Ive been kind of wondering if maybe Mcqueary already knew about Sandusky through rumors or something. I feel like the reaction a normal person would have stumbling upon something like that would be MUCH different. But if you already kind of knew that was going on your reaction may be different.

what 28 year old man see's a 50 somthing guy rape a child and then go to his office so he can call his dad so he can figure out what to do. i doubt he knew anything prior, but you never know. either way there is no way in my opinion that he even came close to doing the right thing.

the thing i want to know is how the f does the ncaa find out about free shoes and free tats, but can't uncover a giant pedophile cover up going on at a major div 1 school. i think when this is all said and done there will be alot more people involved. i think the end result will be a death penalty for penn state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

what 28 year old man see's a 50 somthing guy rape a child and then go to his office so he can call his dad so he can figure out what to do. i doubt he knew anything prior, but you never know. either way there is no way in my opinion that he even came close to doing the right thing.

the thing i want to know is how the f does the ncaa find out about free shoes and free tats, but can't uncover a giant pedophile cover up going on at a major div 1 school. i think when this is all said and done there will be alot more people involved. i think the end result will be a death penalty for penn state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

First i want to say that i personally put slightly more blame on Mcqueary then Paterno and think in no way Mcqueary should still be with the team.

My thoughts are if Mcqueary heard about and knew about Sandusky beforehand hes conditioned to it to some extent. Maybe at first he hears the rumors. Then he sees young boys traveling to bowl games with Sandusky. Then he sees other odd behavior and finally he sees what hes known all along. While hes probably still shocked, hed probably have a different reaction then you or me. Especially if combined with an environment where everyone seems to know whats going on but not doing anything about it. If everyone around him seems to condone this kind of stuff he may also slowly start to, even to the point where he feels like an accomplice of sorts when walks into the locker room and is fully confronted with Sandusky's evil side. The power of conformity is proven to be extremely powerful and as much as all of us would like to think we wouldnt be susceptible to it in situations as monstrous as this one history says the vast majority of us would be.

This is purely my speculation, but his actions in light of seeing what he saw were so odd he was clearly conflicted and im just trying to guess why.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

At this point, who's left that he could sink? I really don't get why he's still around either. It doesn't make a bit of sense. I think you hit the nail on the head earlier on in this thread about sacrificing his silence for promotions.

The big thing would be if a there was a full blown child sex ring operating with multiple pedophiles. I personally still think it was just Sandusky that had a lot of people covering up for him, but just saying that doesnt make any sense at all. What reasons would multiple people have to cover up for an active pedophile? Its easy to speculate, especially with rumors of boosters involved and a DA that didnt pursue charges and then mysteriously disappear 5 years later after destroying his hard drive.

If the football program stays in The Big 10 (or another highly competitive and respected conference) I agree with Scud that it will just be a bottom feeder for probably a good 10+ years, but may never really return to greatness (its been a while anyways). But if they get severally reprimanded by the NCAA and are somehow kicked out of a major conference then any meaningful football program there is just done for good. I could see them falling out of D1 or even ending their football program altogether if something like that happened. The problem though is that Penn State is by far more well known as a football school than anything else; if their football program fails I could see the SS scenario with the whole school falling apart. For that reason alone I could see Pennsylvania (the commonwealth) and the NCAA doing their very best to prevent Penn State from being too harshly punished.