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[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I wouldn't be against this at all, but let's not forget that we were optimistic of John Beck and Rex Grossman this year. Should we really go that route again?

Ummm I don't think any of us we're optimistic at all my friend ..... If anything we were 100% against it.... But had no other real options

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Ummm I don't think any of us we're optimistic at all my friend ..... If anything we were 100% against it.... But had no other real options

Haha, I'd love to agree with you.. But I would say more than half of us around here were drinking the Rex and Beck-aid. Shanahan was very insistent that these guys were more than capable.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I wouldn't be against this at all, but let's not forget that we were optimistic of John Beck and Rex Grossman this year. Should we really go that route again?

While John Beck and Rex Grossman are on the last of their 9 lives here and would have been dead if we weren't interested in them, Chase Daniel has spent the past few years solidifying his status as Drew Brees' backup in New Orleans. He did not fail here. We just cut him because the personnel guys wanted to keep Colt Brennan just like they kept Betts and Carwright: competition does not exist in Vinny-land.

We looked at Brecks because they had potential upside, not because they were sure to produce concrete results. Chase Daniel has far more upside than either.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

While John Beck and Rex Grossman are on the last of their 9 lives here and would have been dead if we weren't interested in them, Chase Daniel has spent the past few years solidifying his status as Drew Brees' backup in New Orleans. He did not fail here. We just cut him because the personnel guys wanted to keep Colt Brennan just like they kept Betts and Carwright: competition does not exist in Vinny-land.

We looked at Brecks because they had potential upside, not because they were sure to produce concrete results. Chase Daniel has far more upside than either.

Ok, so if we have a chance to draft a Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, who both have undeniable upside compared to Daniels, would you do it? Or would you prefer a Blackmon/Jeffrey + Daniels combo..

I would definitely have to think long and hard.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Ok, so if we have a chance to draft a Matt Barkley or Landry Jones, who both have undeniable upside compared to Daniels, would you do it? Or would you prefer a Blackmon/Jeffrey + Daniels combo..

I would definitely have to think long and hard.

I don't follow college ball. Hence, I have no information to make any decision on a prospect.
I'd take the better QB, every time. You can find WR elsewhere, if your scouts are good and you know what to look for. But, the QBs must grade out well, or else I ain't taking one.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I wouldn't be against this at all, but let's not forget that we were optimistic of John Beck and Rex Grossman this year. Should we really go that route again?

Exactly, go with the unknown, not the known.

My problem with Landry Jones is that a buddy of mine who graduate from OU and watches their games religiously, says that he doesn't like him and that he's really not that good, that his receivers make him look a lot better than he really is. He said that when the games on the line he throws picks. He also said that he tends to overthrow--or underthrow receivers a lot. I've watched about 6 Oklahoma games in the past 2 years, and from the few I've seen....he's right.

Now does he have NFL traits and qualities, Definitely. No question about it. But based on what I've seen from him, I'd rather get an experienced Nick Foles, throw in all my chips for Andrew Luck, or take Robert Griffin lower than from where we pick, than get Landry. (I'd also take Kellen Moore in all those scenarios except the Luck one.)

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Exactly, go with the unknown, not the known.

My problem with Landry Jones is that a buddy of mine who graduate from OU and watches their games religiously, says that he doesn't like him and that he's really not that good, that his receivers make him look a lot better than he really is. He said that when the games on the line he throws picks. He also said that he tends to overthrow--or underthrow receivers a lot. I've watched about 6 Oklahoma games in the past 2 years, and from the few I've seen....he's right.

Now does he have NFL traits and qualities, Definitely. No question about it. But based on what I've seen from him, I'd rather get an experienced Nick Foles, throw in all my chips for Andrew Luck, or take Robert Griffin lower than from where we pick, than get Landry. (I'd also take Kellen Moore in all those scenarios except the Luck one.)

I used to be a big sooners fan when Bradford was there, watching them was a priority for me each week.. But yeah I have no interest anymore. Bradford is on a completely different level compared to Jones, but NFL teams know that. I agree though, Jones has a weird throwing motion, weird footwork, his arm strength is questionable, his athleticism isn't very good and he's just sort of awkward in general.

I see it as:
Luck




Barkley
RG3
Tannehill
Weeden


Jones

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I used to be a big sooners fan when Bradford was there, watching them was a priority for me each week.. But yeah I have no interest anymore. Bradford is on a completely different level compared to Jones, but NFL teams know that. I agree though, Jones has a weird throwing motion, weird footwork, his arm strength is questionable, his athleticism isn't very good and he's just sort of awkward in general.

I see it as:
Luck




Barkley
RG3
Tannehill
Weeden


Jones

Actually one of the least cocky OU players I've ever talked to and I've pretty much met all the players, he's never been a dick and always has a great attitude to him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Exactly, go with the unknown, not the known.

My problem with Landry Jones is that a buddy of mine who graduate from OU and watches their games religiously, says that he doesn't like him and that he's really not that good, that his receivers make him look a lot better than he really is. He said that when the games on the line he throws picks. He also said that he tends to overthrow--or underthrow receivers a lot. I've watched about 6 Oklahoma games in the past 2 years, and from the few I've seen....he's right.

Now does he have NFL traits and qualities, Definitely. No question about it. But based on what I've seen from him, I'd rather get an experienced Nick Foles, throw in all my chips for Andrew Luck, or take Robert Griffin lower than from where we pick, than get Landry. (I'd also take Kellen Moore in all those scenarios except the Luck one.)

Like your friend I watch every snap of Landry Jones and I think he's right to a degree but a little tough on him as well, Is Jones on the same level as Bradford? NO but I think one more season at OU which will likely happen could help him over the long haul.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I wouldn't be against this at all, but let's not forget that we were optimistic of John Beck and Rex Grossman this year. Should we really go that route again?

You're comparing John Beck to Chase Daniel and I'm letting you stay on this board...I must be getting soft

Seriously though, I think in his brief playing time here and in New Orleans Daniel has shown far more than Beck ever did (of course, I might be bias) and he's considerably younger.

My thing is we need two new QBs. So instead of drafting 2 with no NFL experience. Draft one and get another veteran (young veteran with upside). Take SS33's suggestion as an example. Draft Kalil in the first, add Tannehill in the late 1st, or more likely early 2nd and sign Daniel.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're comparing John Beck to Chase Daniel and I'm letting you stay on this board...I must be getting soft

Seriously though, I think in his brief playing time here and in New Orleans Daniel has shown far more than Beck ever did (of course, I might be bias) and he's considerably younger.

My thing is we need two new QBs. So instead of drafting 2 with no NFL experience. Draft one and get another veteran (young veteran with upside). Take SS33's suggestion as an example. Draft Kalil in the first, add Tannehill in the late 1st, or more likely early 2nd and sign Daniel.

ehhhh Daniels was solid from what I remember, but I haven't followed him since.

I like that scenario though, but Tannehill is quickly becoming a top guy for the draft, he's going to make some team very happy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

ehhhh Daniels was solid from what I remember, but I haven't followed him since.

I like that scenario though, but Tannehill is quickly becoming a top guy for the draft, he's going to make some team very happy.

You keep calling him Daniels just to mess with me don't you

[GTripp0012]

I think the Luck hype is affecting the other QBs more than Luck. Luck is the best prospect in years, but there are one or two other first overall type prospects in this draft that are being victimized because they lack the hype of Andrew Luck.

Luck is the best, but he's not so much better than Matt Barkley that you wouldn't take MB with the second overall pick. Barkley is a steal at no. 2. Barkley is Matt Ryan with downfield accuracy.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the Luck hype is affecting the other QBs more than Luck. Luck is the best prospect in years, but there are one or two other first overall type prospects in this draft that are being victimized because they lack the hype of Andrew Luck.

Luck is the best, but he's not so much better than Matt Barkley that you wouldn't take MB with the second overall pick. Barkley is a steal at no. 2. Barkley is Matt Ryan with downfield accuracy.

I'd take Barkley but SS says we arent interested IDK why we wouldn't be.

[SmootSmack]

I mean it's what I heard from a couple of people. But like I said, that doesn't make sense to me. My only guess is that maybe since they haven't really been able to scout him they say they're not interested. Despite what I'm told, it wouldn't shock me at all if he was a Redskin.