Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

[GTripp0012]

I've gathered from this crowdsourcing exercise that the prevailing opinion on Shanahan is that two years of failure isn't enough evidence to overturn the decision to bring him on as head coach + personnel guy.

I haven't heard anyone defend the Redskins as being on the right track.

So basically this is the coaching equivalent of the minutes during a challenge in the NFL where everyone is pretty certain the call on the field wasn't right, but we have to determine whether or not the visual evidence is indisputable. I propose that indisputable evidence is not necessary to make the best possible decision for the game going forward. I also realize I am the minority opinion on that one.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I've gathered from this crowdsourcing exercise that the prevailing opinion on Shanahan is that two years of failure isn't enough evidence to overturn the decision to bring him on as head coach + personnel guy.

I haven't heard anyone defend the Redskins as being on the right track.

So basically this is the coaching equivalent of the minutes during a challenge in the NFL where everyone is pretty certain the call on the field wasn't right, but we have to determine whether or not the visual evidence is indisputable. I propose that indisputable evidence is not necessary to make the best possible decision for the game going forward. I also realize I am the minority opinion on that one.

Well its kinda difficult to do, but it can be done. They now have several RB's who should be able to get the job done as long as they can stay healthy, A LT who is doing a pretty good job in only is 2nd year, Hankerson seems promising, the DL is a lot better then last yr, we actually have a pass rush now, the LB core seems a lot better. Now injuries aside we definitly need quality backups, beef up our DB/CB position, definitly need a FS, and a QB.

It's hard to notice any improvement when most of your starters are injured. The bigger question is why the injuries? everyone trying to do too much? freak accidents? lack of prepardness? because we just can't expect all these injures every year.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I've gathered from this crowdsourcing exercise that the prevailing opinion on Shanahan is that two years of failure isn't enough evidence to overturn the decision to bring him on as head coach + personnel guy.

I haven't heard anyone defend the Redskins as being on the right track.

So basically this is the coaching equivalent of the minutes during a challenge in the NFL where everyone is pretty certain the call on the field wasn't right, but we have to determine whether or not the visual evidence is indisputable. I propose that indisputable evidence is not necessary to make the best possible decision for the game going forward. I also realize I am the minority opinion on that one.

Yes, it is inconclusive about what the next year of Shanahan is going to be like.
But your analogy does not hold. Look at Oakland in 2009. They were horrible. Bad QB, lack of talent everywhere. But the reputed nut Al Davis pulled that team out of being complete ass the next year. Until we see what happens next season, no one knows.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I've gathered from this crowdsourcing exercise that the prevailing opinion on Shanahan is that two years of failure isn't enough evidence to overturn the decision to bring him on as head coach + personnel guy.

I haven't heard anyone defend the Redskins as being on the right track.

So basically this is the coaching equivalent of the minutes during a challenge in the NFL where everyone is pretty certain the call on the field wasn't right, but we have to determine whether or not the visual evidence is indisputable. I propose that indisputable evidence is not necessary to make the best possible decision for the game going forward. I also realize I am the minority opinion on that one.

Tripp, I think that your analogy to a challenge is a good one.

But I can't go to your dark side. Although I opposed the MS hire, I think we patiently have to let its process run its course. I can't say that your argument against this strategy is wrong. But it might be and I think we already bought a ticket to see it through to even an ugly end.

If you are right, we need to start a new coach search now, and this also scares me. I don't know that I trust Snyder to hire the right guy. So please tell me: who would Snyder hire as a coach to replace MS and turn things around?

Please notice that the question is not which coach you want. The question is which coach would Snyder realistically hire.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I've gathered from this crowdsourcing exercise that the prevailing opinion on Shanahan is that two years of failure isn't enough evidence to overturn the decision to bring him on as head coach + personnel guy.

I haven't heard anyone defend the Redskins as being on the right track.

So basically this is the coaching equivalent of the minutes during a challenge in the NFL where everyone is pretty certain the call on the field wasn't right, but we have to determine whether or not the visual evidence is indisputable. I propose that indisputable evidence is not necessary to make the best possible decision for the game going forward. I also realize I am the minority opinion on that one.

I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to make the argument because debating you can be quite frankly exhausting and a fruitless exercise. You can make strong points, but I'm just not interested, not now at least, in the next 10 pages here being a 15 paragraph per post back and forth between two people. I'd rather just wait and see what happens.

All that said, I don't think you let Shanahan go but I could see other coaching moves, including Kyle. What happens now in Houston could have a major impact on our staff next year

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to make the argument because debating you can be quite frankly exhausting and a fruitless exercise. You can make strong points, but I'm just not interested, not now at least, in the next 10 pages here being a 15 paragraph per post back and forth between two people. I'd rather just wait and see what happens.

All that said, I don't think you let Shanahan go but I could see other coaching moves, including Kyle. What happens now in Houston could have a major impact on our staff next year

Yeah, I can be an ass like that. Though, I like to flatter myself and think that the reason I can write so much is because at rare times, I can be right and you can be wrong.

I'm still looking forward to next year, all things considered.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All that said, I don't think you let Shanahan go but I could see other coaching moves, including Kyle. What happens now in Houston could have a major impact on our staff next year

Why do you say this? are you refering to coaches that might be available? or players that might be available? I guess your refering to the HC getting canned and MS trying to bring him here? but Houston is doing so well.... aren't they?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Why do you say this? are you refering to coaches that might be available? or players that might be available? I guess your refering to the HC getting canned and MS trying to bring him here? but Houston is doing so well.... aren't they?

I probably shouldn't speak for SS, but I think he's referring to Houston's success on offense with a committment to the run game being a potential indicment of KS's system/abilities.

[skinsfaninok]

I'm not a fan of KS at all in fact I wish he would be gone asap but that's not happening

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Why do you say this? are you refering to coaches that might be available? or players that might be available? I guess your refering to the HC getting canned and MS trying to bring him here? but Houston is doing so well.... aren't they?

Well let me preface by saying I'm not a huge Schaub fan, but if the Texans now falter with him out and miss the playoffs then Kubiak and co are likely gone. So yeah you're going to have coaches available that could shake up this staff. Not least of which is Rick Dennison.

[SBXVII]

So I guess we should hope for the Texans to start losing in order to get some position coaches here replaced. Lol.

My main concern is OL coach and MS getting the right coach in for his system. I really wish their old OL coach From Denver who went to the Texans could be healthy and work out their differences and be brought in.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So I guess we should hope for the Texans to start losing in order to get some position coaches here replaced. Lol.

My main concern is OL coach and MS getting the right coach in for his system. I really wish their old OL coach From Denver who went to the Texans could be healthy and work out their differences and be brought in.

I think you're thinking of Alex Gibbs, but in the early 2000s Rick Dennison was the OL coach under Mike Shanahan in Denver.

[freddyg12]

The major mistake that Shanny & Allen made was the McNabb trade. I can't help but think that move was made in part to show the owner that they were trying to win asap (not saying Snyder was "meddling" by any means).

Aside from that move, I give high marks to the personel moves of this regime. We can all point out the many names that came to camp, e.g. W. Parker, L. Johnson, D. Stallworth, but before you criticize those moves, realize they were low cost, low risk. I wanted a QB in last year's draft, but this year's class is looking good & I respect that Shanny didn't like any of the prospects from last draft.

That 3-1 start at the least showed that the team could win when healthy, albeit v. lesser teams for the most part. It raised expectations, but injuries reveal depth or lack thereof. This team is so far away from having quality depth. I don't think you can criticize them too much for that. It will take time, but we've already seen a commitment to the draft, something lacking for years here.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The major mistake that Shanny & Allen made was the McNabb trade. I can't help but think that move was made in part to show the owner that they were trying to win asap (not saying Snyder was "meddling" by any means).

Aside from that move, I give high marks to the personel moves of this regime. We can all point out the many names that came to camp, e.g. W. Parker, L. Johnson, D. Stallworth, but before you criticize those moves, realize they were low cost, low risk. I wanted a QB in last year's draft, but this year's class is looking good & I respect that Shanny didn't like any of the prospects from last draft.

That 3-1 start at the least showed that the team could win when healthy, albeit v. lesser teams for the most part. It raised expectations, but injuries reveal depth or lack thereof. This team is so far away from having quality depth. I don't think you can criticize them too much for that. It will take time, but we've already seen a commitment to the draft, something lacking for years here.

The mistake, in my opinion, was not the McNabb trade. It was deciding that Rex and Beck were the alternatives should it not work out. Even if McNabb did work out, how long did they realistically expect to have him for? Only team in the NFL last year without at least one QB under 28 years old, if I recall correctly.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The mistake, in my opinion, was not the McNabb trade. It was deciding that Rex and Beck were the alternatives should it not work out. Even if McNabb did work out, how long did they realistically expect to have him for? Only team in the NFL last year without at least one QB under 28 years old, if I recall correctly.

He had to have one QB on the roster that had prior experience on the system. I think his biggest mistake so far was the McNabb trade, but it is what it is.