The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Mike Shanahan should be on the hot seat just for starting the season with Grossman and Beck atop the depth chart.

So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?

The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.

And Mallett would be on IR due to his lack of mobility, just look at Grossman how slow he is, Mallett is even slower.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The Redskins could have signed a free agent QB like Matt Hassleback. Given the fact that the Bengals drafted Andy Dalton before the Redskins drafted Jarvis Jenkins, the Redskins still had a chance to draft Ryan Mallet.

What exactly would have been the rationale for signing Hasselbeck?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What exactly would have been the rationale for signing Hasselbeck?

Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.

Hasselbeck could have also mentored whoever the next QB would be whereas Rex and the Hobbit obviously aren't anybody you'd want mentoring a younger guy. Actually this is probably the biggest fail in regard to our QB situation...no mentor on the roster so in that regard we still need 2 QBs.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Hasselbeck could have also mentored whoever the next QB would be whereas Rex and the Hobbit obviously aren't anybody you'd want mentoring a younger guy. Actually this is probably the biggest fail in regard to our QB situation...no mentor on the roster so in that regard we still need 2 QBs.

Grossman: "Triple coverage! Sling it! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Grossman: "Triple coverage! Sling it! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."

Thanks for the hearty laugh!! Needed that before bed

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by mooby

Grossman: "Triple coverage! Sling it! SLING IT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SLUNG IT BEFORE!"

Beck: "The Book of Beck states that a checkdown pass to your RB is mandatory on third and long. When you've been preparing for as long as I have to be a starting qb these things come second nature."

Beck is more like this:

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(you then proceed to violent things to the computer and destroy the software cd)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Hassleback has played in a west coast offense before once under Mike Holmgren. He currently has a 90.0 QB rating. Compare how he's playing now to how Rex Grossman and John Beck are playing. Hasselback is also a proven veteran that has guided the Seahawks to the playoffs a few times and went to one Super Bowl.

The Redskins could have signed Matt Hasselback. If Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen signed this guy instead of going along with the comic relief notion that John Beck and Rex Grossman could actually play QB good enough to have a winning record, the Redskins would be at the very least be 5-4 right now. By the way, the Tennessee Titans, the team that Hasselback currently plays for, is 5-4 and very much in the hunt for a AFC wild card birth.

I like Hasselbeck, but I don't see how adding a 36 year old QB to this team makes sense. Only if Rex had gone elsewhere, I suppose. Maybe we sign Hasselbeck and we don't add young linemen in Chester and Bowen? Does that really help us?

I mean I think the problem is you're talking about how we'd do this year. Sure we'd be 5-4 maybe. But so what? Is that what we're aiming for. Another .500 record with a QB on his last legs? Titans have Locker (heck even Rusty Smith) on the roster behind Hasselbeck. So in a year or two when Hasselbeck is ready to hang up his cleats they have QBs ready. We don't. So yeah we could have added Hasselbeck for a quick fix, but that doesn't really solve our problem.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

And was Clemens claimed by anyone or playing? There's a reason why he was cut, he sucked, he's as bad or worse than what the Redskins currently have. I seriously believe Shanahan has his eye on a QB coming out this year who he likes better than any from last years draft (at least that's what I want to believe).

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

Ponder might have worked out for us, but then we don't have Kerrigan, Hankerson, Hurt, and Gomes. Dalton was picked at #35 and has quite the rapport with AJ Green. I guess he would have been alright, but at #16? Ehhh, most people would think Shanahan had lost it with such a reach. Mallett probably could have been taken at #62, which isn't a big reach. But then again, Mallett has been unable to prove anything one way or the other, unlike Dalton and Ponder.

It's not like we got nothing when we passed up on one of the potential quarterbacks. Kerrigan, if he reaches his max potential, is a very valuable piece for a championship team in his own right since we have to handle opposing top tier QBs well. Of course we can't delay QB forever, but the compensation this time, seems pretty good.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.