The Skins Are Really A Very Horrible Bad Team

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So who exactly was he supposed to grab from this magical tree of NFL QBs?

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

And was Clemens claimed by anyone or playing? There's a reason why he was cut, he sucked, he's as bad or worse than what the Redskins currently have. I seriously believe Shanahan has his eye on a QB coming out this year who he likes better than any from last years draft (at least that's what I want to believe).

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

Ponder might have worked out for us, but then we don't have Kerrigan, Hankerson, Hurt, and Gomes. Dalton was picked at #35 and has quite the rapport with AJ Green. I guess he would have been alright, but at #16? Ehhh, most people would think Shanahan had lost it with such a reach. Mallett probably could have been taken at #62, which isn't a big reach. But then again, Mallett has been unable to prove anything one way or the other, unlike Dalton and Ponder.

It's not like we got nothing when we passed up on one of the potential quarterbacks. Kerrigan, if he reaches his max potential, is a very valuable piece for a championship team in his own right since we have to handle opposing top tier QBs well. Of course we can't delay QB forever, but the compensation this time, seems pretty good.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You want a oft injured mid thirty year old QB behind the OL we currently have?...lol Right now, he's behind a solid offensive line and Chris Johnson in the back field. Notice he wasn't doing diddly squat in Seattle.


Palmer? Are you kidding me? I'm not even going to really address this because it is so ludicrous.


Ponder? Was considered a HUGE reach by the Vikings. Mallet? You serious? Dalton? Picked ahead of us in the 2nd round, and wasn't worthy of a high first round slot based on his evaluation.



So again, what QBs from the magical tree should Shanny have plucked from without mortgaging the future (again) and going for a huge reach just because they are a QB?

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

Matt didn't want to come here. He decided to stay with Houston.

Also, either Beck or Grossman will be on the roster next year. No way Shanny is going to have a roster full of QBs that have 0 experience with the system. Grossman or Beck will start until the rook is ready.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

As terrible as our QB situation is, I tend to agree with you. I have no real qualms with this draft class as constituted. The only thing I would have liked to have seen in either the 2010 or 2011 draft was picking a developmental QB in rounds 4-7. I don't see any of the late picks we made in those rounds truly being an impact player for us so we could have been developing a QB to be no worse than a backup for the future.

I wasn't wowed by any of the rookie QB coming out other than Newton. Where we picked, I've got no issue passing on Gabbert, we didn't have a chance at Dalton in the 2nd round, there's no indication Mallett will be anything yet and we were smart in building through this draft and adding picks next year rather than trading picks to move up and around for a QB in the late 1st or 2nd.

Neither Beck or Rex will be on the team in 2012, I think we're going to draft a QB in the top 5 next year and add a free agent QB. I kinda wish we had added Matt Lienart in free agency to see if there was anything there but he may just be a lefty Beck.

Agree on the bolded parts.

I'm a bit surprised we didn't make a stronger attempt to get Leinart. You may recall I said even before we hired Mike Shanahan that Leinart was to keep an eye on, because Mike liked him a lot coming out of the draft. I suspect maybe Kyle isn't the biggest fan. But I don't know

Leinart and Young were the two FA QBs we were expected to go after. And Leinart we made a half hearted attempt at, and Young I think was more a victim of an extended lockout.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Could have drafted Ponder, Mallet, or maybe even Dalton. Hasslebeck and Palmer were there. A nice deal for Palmer would not have been so bad, although I wouldn't do it if I was a GM. The going to two QBs was also a dumb move, due to the history of both Beck and Grossman. Clemens could have been the one to surprise us all and we let him go.

Here would be Clemens' surprise:

Play three consecutive games where he plays very well against first string NFL defenses.

Now THAT would be a surprise...