Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

As mentioned you're mistaken about Plummer's retirement...and you're also wrong about Elway

Check the chronology on Plummer's retirement and statements subsequent to that.

How am I wrong about Elway? He was in the NFL from 84 until Shanahan showed up in Denver in 96. That is "more than a decade". Elway took an over-achieving bunch of guys to a Super Bowl without Shanahan's guidance in the 80s.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Check the chronology on Plummer's retirement and statements subsequent to that.

How am I wrong about Elway? He was in the NFL from 84 until Shanahan showed up in Denver in 96. That is "more than a decade". Elway took an over-achieving bunch of guys to a Super Bowl without Shanahan's guidance in the 80s.

I've talked to Plummer directly (about handball mainly) and I know of his dislike for Shanahan, but I also know it wasn't Shanahan that led him to retire. It was that when Shanahan let him go he sent him to a place (Tampa) where he'd have to compete for a spot. And that's not what he was interested in.

As for Elway, who do you think was his offense coordinator in the mid 1980s?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've talked to Plummer directly (about handball mainly) and I know of his dislike for Shanahan, but I also know it wasn't Shanahan that led him to retire. It was that when Shanahan let him go he sent him to a place (Tampa) where he'd have to compete for a spot. And that's not what he was interested in.

As for Elway, who do you think was his offense coordinator in the mid 1980s?

Oh oh oh I know this one. Buddy Ryan.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've talked to Plummer directly (about handball mainly) and I know of his dislike for Shanahan, but I also know it wasn't Shanahan that led him to retire. It was that when Shanahan let him go he sent him to a place (Tampa) where he'd have to compete for a spot. And that's not what he was interested in.

As for Elway, who do you think was his offense coordinator in the mid 1980s?

My recollection of the situation with the Broncos of the mid-80s was that Dan Reeves was the "offensive guy" and that it was Reeves and Elway who worked together to fashion the offense - - until the two of them had a falling out and it got to the point of "loser leaves town". The owner - - Bowlen - - smartly chose to keep Elway and lose Reeves in that circumstance but by then Shanahan had moved on to Oakland and then SF.

Next time you talk to Plummer, ask him what kind of mentality one should look for in a QB that Mike Shanahan might draft with a "Top Five Pick" in the draft... Here is a guess:

Intelligence of Einstein
Patience of Job
Serenity of Ghandi