I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.

[JoeRedskin]

They are going to take a QB in the 1st round. Is there anyone who doubts that? Really? If they don't I would suggest a fan revolt will occur. Even if we accept that Luck is as close to a sure thing as there is, I doubt we can get him without (a) absolutely tanking or (b) crippling the process by trading away the ability to continue building with youth.

So, given that (1) we will draft a 1st round QB; (2) it will not be Luck and (3) regardless of draft position, picking a Round 1 franchise QB is a crap shoot, I say we play hard, win as many games as possible so that the team doesn't "forget" how to do so and then get the best Round 1 QB available to us whereever we land in the draft.

[hooskins]

At this point, I don't mind if they lose. I guess you should not tank but how much would, lets get crazy here and say winning out, help this team?

[SmootSmack]

As long as they play hard is all I ask. Because it's not just draft picks. I also want our current free agents and potential free agents from other teams to know that if they come here or stay here we will compete

[hail_2_da_skins]

Last year, I thought the Skins had to pick a quarterback in the first round. It didn't happen. I'm not confident that Mike/Kyle Shanahan are good talent evaluators, especially at the quarterback position. They gave up on Jason Campbell without giving him a try. Gave away too many draft picks for Donovan McNabb and then gave up on McNabb little over a half of a season. Now they are flip floppiing between Grossman and Beck. I don't think they have a clue how to evaluate quarterback talent.

[redsk1]

I was hoping we'd beat Dallas, but, I was not upset that we lost. Yes, we need Luck or the next best thing.

I'm not sure the Colts would draft Luck. Of course, they will play the game, and try to get as much value for the pick as they can. It's a big if, but assuming Manning will be ok w/ his health, he's got a good 4-5 years I would think.

Miami will finish w/ more wins than us. Seatle...not sure. The problem is, if St Louis or other teams pick before us, someone could trade up for a qb like Barkley.

[Dogtag]

I don't ever want this team to lose. Draft pick(s) be damned. Losing becomes a mindset and is a cancer against the team's foundations of pride, poise, discipline, respect and honor. You can't respect yourself or your team mates if you are paid to perform and win and don't do everything you can to prepare and execute a winning effort. You certainly pay no honor to those Redskins before you who gave it their all and came out with their heads held high. My respect for this team would be diminished if they played to win a draft pick instead of a game. I guess my priorities are different than most...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dogtag

I don't ever want this team to lose. Draft pick(s) be damned. Losing becomes a mindset and is a cancer against the team's foundations of pride, poise, discipline, respect and honor. You can't respect yourself or your team mates if you are paid to perform and win and don't do everything you can to prepare and execute a winning effort. You certainly pay no honor to those Redskins before you who gave it their all and came out with their heads held high. My respect for this team would be diminished if they played to win a draft pick instead of a game. I guess my priorities are different than most...

The team is still playing hard and I believe they still care and have pride it what they're doing.

Don't confuse what we want as fans and what the players want. I'm sure the team could care less about what draft pick they end up with.

[Dogtag]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The team is still playing hard and I believe they still care and have pride it what they're doing.

Don't confuse what we want as fans and what the players want. I'm sure the team could care less about what draft pick they end up with.

Thanks. I mean no disrespect for anyones opinion on the matter; however, I'm still a passionate warrior in heart if not so much in body anymore. Each loss is like a dagger...

[Hail to the Redskins]

I just did ESPN's "Playoff Predictor" thing where you pick winners for all of the remaining games and it spits out the playoff & record outcomes.

I just wanted to point out that I had picked us to beat Seattle and Minnesota and lose all of the rest, finishing 5-11.

THEN what I noticed was by picking the games the way I did, we would end up tied for the 8th worst record in the NFL.... with Seattle.

MEANING... There IS a logical chance that we could finish tied with Seattle if we do beat them this weekend, which would suck, if RGIII or Jones doesn't come out.

Seattle will DEFINITELY pick Barkley (Not only do they need a QB, ummm... Pete Carroll anyone??) if he is there at 8 and we are at 9, meaning we'd have to get into some kind of bidding war to get above them to take him, giving away the picks we desperately need to really rebuild.

This game, honestly, COULD... POSSIBLY... mean a HUGE DEAL to the future of the Redskins QB situation... something to keep in mind, one way or the other.

With all of that being said... It's not like I'm the "Schwam" or anything... I have no clue how the games will actually turn out, I'm just saying, we definitely will be AROUND the same final record as the Seahawks, the team we could be competing with most... in April

[hooskins]

Losing doesn't help mentalities and mindsets, but the Skins have already had a losing culture for the last 2 decades (minus a few blips here and there)!

Not saying tank, but to think if we do well the rest of this year we would be able to instill/maintain a winning culture is naive. We have a huge hole to dig out of, and it will take another 2-3 years. At least.

[celts32]

It's a sick feeling but I want them to lose also...but I fear that if they do lose out it could prompt Snyder to do something stupid and pull the plug on Shanny/Allen which would be devastating IMO.

[Dogtag]

When is the day or game that the team stands up and says I WILL BE DEFEATED NO MORE; next game, next year, next decade. I admit I'm a dinosaur, but I say draw a line in the sand and toe the line.

[over the mountain]

its all about unchecked aggression dude.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

its all about unchecked aggression dude.

Calmer than you are, dude.

[CRedskinsRule]

but I don't think head to head matters in draft slot (i am not sure of that though)