I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.

CultBrennan is secretly a Cowboys fan (I've been saying that for years), that's the problem.

I kid of course (or am I?). At the end of the day, while we must have a QB, tanking is not the only way to do it. This isn't Vinny running the show, I trust our FO to find a way.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!

You forgot to add "let ass clown franchise QB walk in free agency because he didn't win enough games." Which of course is the biggest problem with all of the tanking talk: you never know how good your roster is.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.

1st of all, yes, if we draft a qb, and he ends up being a bust, I do hope we tank the next season for a qb (granted there is a qb to tank for that year). The odds of landing a qb are raised by 10 fold at the top of the draft compared to even the top 3 rounds. Ideally I'd like to get Ndamakung Suh in the first, lesean mccoy in the second, lance briggs in the third, shaun phillips in the 4th, Trent Cole in the 5th, tom brady in the sixth, and marques colston in the 7th, but that just aint gonna happen. Pick high, get a qb, pick low, you have a better shot if you buy a lottery ticket.

2nd of all. Ndamakung Suh, Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford. I think the lions aren't unhappy right now with their tanking.

3rd of all (this is the only thing I'm saying that actually matters). Its tank for a qb, not any other position, only the one that changes you from a pre-season superbowl contender to arguably the worst team of all time (colts with manning out). All other positions just need quality players. QB is the only position where being elite is a necessity and it cannot be covered up (unless you have 21 pro bowlers playing along side him). I don't want to leave anything up to chance with my qb. I want the best odds of getting the best player.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Very true Matty, but TOKilla is one of many skins fans that are pissed, like me, over a dying team. The skins this year remind me of a fish being caught during fishing. The fisherman catchs it, it seems like it could be a promising fish at first glance, he thinks he's having a big dinner off this fish (first 4 games this year), then he gets it in and its just a small fish (the past 6 games) he wants to throw it away so he can get a better fish (Barkley, Griffin, Luck) but decides to be greedy and keep it incase he wants to save it for just himself and not his family (beating seattle).


Yes I just compared the Redskins season to fishing.

But really this site is going to have a major following of die hard skins fans I respect that, but the majority of skins fans in the rest of society know we aren't good and know we need to get a great QB to win, and have had it up to here with losing all the time.

The way to breath life into a dying team is not more losing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be pissed about losing, but then get pissed when they win.

We're going to be in position to get a QB whether we win 3 games or 6.

As far as your fishing story, that's why you wait til the end of the day to judge your haul. The season is 16 games, not 4, not 8. Those that got their hopes up too high after a 3-1 start only have themselves to blame.

[Hog1]

I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR

The fact is that we do have alot of missing pieces and I'm sure we'll try like hell to get the QB MS wants, but like you said, the pick could be better served elsewhere w/ all of our needs. It's still going to be a process and we won't be there by the start of 2012 season. We should be better, but it is rebuilding and will take some time.

[MTK]

The Colts are definitely a bad example. Their success revolved 100% around Manning. The D was built to play with a lead. It's insane that you can take away one player, great as he is, and the team is headed for 0-16? Heads are gonna roll for what went down there this year and rightfully so.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The Colts are definitely a bad example. Their success revolved 100% around Manning. The D was built to play with a lead. It's insane that you can take away one player, great as he is, and the team is headed for 0-16? Heads are gonna roll for what went down there this year and rightfully so.

No defense is built to play with the lead. Defenses are built to prevent the other team from scoring.

[SmootSmack]

Fair points

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinster

No defense is built to play with the lead. Defenses are built to prevent the other team from scoring.

The colts built a defense lean on bulk and heavy on speed. Why? Because they expected other teams to be passing a lot. Why? Because the other teams knew the colts could score in a flash. I remember the miami-indy game where miami held the ball for 44+ minutes and still lost because indy/peyton scored every time they touched the ball. A defense with that type of offense needs to stop big plays. OF COURSE defenses are built in conjunction with what type of offense a team has, the colts simply were the extreme of that.

[T.O.Killa]

Wow, how bad is it that our two best offensive players have been suspended. Really bad. Does this mean that they are pot heads together. Could that mean that we dont sign Davis, because we want to seperate the pot heads? Well at least this means we probably dont win another game and get a QB.

[T.O.Killa]

Its time to put Willie Smith in at LT and start John Beck. While were at it, lets put in Erik Cook.

[SFREDSKIN]

If the season were to end today (as if it hasn't already) considering the Redskins and Browns have the same record. Who picks first in the draft? Redskins or Browns? This is for the Barkley sweepstakes

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If the season were to end today (as if it hasn't already) considering the Redskins and Browns have the same record. Who picks first in the draft? Redskins or Browns? This is for the Barkley sweepstakes

Us, based on the fact that we had the easier strength of schedule.
2011 Strength of Schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Us, based on the fact that we had the easier strength of schedule.
2011 Strength of Schedule - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

Sweet!! Now let's lose the rest of the games including the one against Minnesota.