2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What foresight is that?

The foresight to plan Peyton Manning's neck injury to occur right before the season in which the best pro-prospect (who could have gone pro a year ago, after Manning's neck issue was already present) since Elway is going to be #1 overall. Come on Smoot. 2 days away from ESPN and you're already behind on this stuff?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What foresight is that?

Maybe talent/personnel evaluation or team building are better terms.

For example: when the Colts' FO/coaching staff discerned, acknowledged and then addressed the fact that behind Manning (rosterwise) there is no legitimate QB talent. From the time of Manning's updated injury status (which fortuitously occurred just before the regular season) the team, led by the coach, seems to do all it can to secure the winning prize from next year's draft.

If your FO/coaching staff don't discern the talent situation in the beginning...the rest is history.

For example: the Skins' FO/coaching staff failed to discern QB talent in four consecutive decisions (JC, McNabb, Rex, Beck)...and before that expended significant resources to overhaul an above-average defense while an among-league-worst offense...actually...got...worse.

Can we please stop pretending that Mike and Kyle haven't been royal f'ups since they landed in DC? IF they pull things together it will be in spite of the first two years rather than because of the first two years.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe talent/personnel evaluation or team building are better terms.

For example: when the Colts' FO/coaching staff discerned, acknowledged and then addressed the fact that behind Manning (rosterwise) there is no legitimate QB talent. From the time of Manning's updated injury status (which fortuitously occurred just before the regular season) the team, led by the coach, seems to do all it can to secure the winning prize from next year's draft.
If your FO/coaching staff don't discern the talent situation in the beginning...the rest is history.

Are you suggesting that, despite years of ignoring the QB position, and before the year started, the Colts decided to lose all the games they could in order to secure the first pick in the April, 2012 draft? That's beyond insane. They just fired their D Coord - was that part of the plan? If they intended to tank, why not fire him in August? Who is in on this great "conspiracy to lose"?

As someone else said, tell your theory to an unemployed Jim Caldwell as he sits and watches the draft at home this year.

The Colts front office has shown an incredible lack of foresight and simply "Lucked" out. They don't where horseshoes on their helmets for nothing!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Are you suggesting that, despite years of ignoring the QB position, and before the year started, the Colts decided to lose all the games they could in order to secure the first pick in the April, 2012 draft? That's beyond insane. They just fired their D Coord - was that part of the plan? If they intended to tank, why not fire him in August? Who is in on this great "conspiracy to lose"?

As someone else said, tell your theory to an unemployed Jim Caldwell as he sits and watches the draft at home this year.

The Colts front office has shown an incredible lack of foresight and simply "Lucked" out. They don't where horseshoes on their helmets for nothing!

LOL ok I'll take the title insane conspiracy theorist

[30gut]

Here's how I rate this QB draft class/Redskins QB draft board:
Luck
Barkley
Weeden
Tannehill
Tyler Wilson
Landry Jones
Griff
Russell Wilson


Overall:
Griffin
Luck
Tannehill
Weeden
Jones
Barkley
Russell Wilson (would be much higher if he wasn't under 6')
Tyler Wilson

[SmootSmack]

I'm such an outsider now

[SmootSmack]

Owe Arizona a 6th for Hightower

And the 2013 6th from Minnesota was conditional and looks unlikely now

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Owe Arizona a 6th for Hightower

And the 2013 6th from Minnesota was conditional and looks unlikely now

I never heard that the McNab trade was conditional

[SmootSmack]

Part of it was

[CultBrennan59]

If for some crazy reason we either A) aren't in position to take a QB, or B) the QB's that are juniors don't declare, I really think we should trade down a few spots and take David DeCastro the guard from Stanford, he looks like another Steve Hutchinson.

[skinsfaninok]

If that happens we def need to go for OL or WR (Blackmon) would come in and be a star day 1

[CultBrennan59]

Blackmon reminds me of Crabtree when he was in college. If thats the case, I don't see him being worth a early first round pick. I think he's very similar to Boldin. Boldin isn't a high first round receiver, he's a late round, good but not great receiver. I'd much rather have an Alshon Jefferey who reminds me of a Plaxico Burress. If you want to look just at this year alone, Boldin has like what 4 TD's. Plaxico has what 7-9 now? Because he's a long strider and great redzone target. That's how I see Alshon, Blackmon will be solid but not great.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Blackmon reminds me of Crabtree when he was in college. If thats the case, I don't see him being worth a early first round pick. I think he's very similar to Boldin. Boldin isn't a high first round receiver, he's a late round, good but not great receiver. I'd much rather have an Alshon Jefferey who reminds me of a Plaxico Burress. If you want to look just at this year alone, Boldin has like what 4 TD's. Plaxico has what 7-9 now? Because he's a long strider and great redzone target. That's how I see Alshon, Blackmon will be solid but not great.

I live in SC, you are on to something with that comparison. A guy like A Jeffery is a beast, and tbh i would draft that kid in a heartbeat if we had the opportunity or luxury to.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Blackmon reminds me of Crabtree when he was in college. If thats the case, I don't see him being worth a early first round pick. I think he's very similar to Boldin. Boldin isn't a high first round receiver, he's a late round, good but not great receiver. I'd much rather have an Alshon Jefferey who reminds me of a Plaxico Burress. If you want to look just at this year alone, Boldin has like what 4 TD's. Plaxico has what 7-9 now? Because he's a long strider and great redzone target. That's how I see Alshon, Blackmon will be solid but not great.

I consider Boldin a much better player than Plax, not to mention he's a model citizen. Boldin doesn't have breakaway speed but he has size & strength & is an exceptional runner. Get him the ball & he'll get plenty of YAC. Plax has always been a threat but has never been as consistent as Boldin. I would bet Boldin is the better blocker too.

Funny, Alshon's draft status will hinge largely on his speed. Right now, word is that's all he lacks. Blackmon, as others have mentioned, is big AND is a game breaker w/deep speed.

[skinsfaninok]

Burress has 7 i believe and have u seen Blackmon play? He's a freak of nature almost guaranteed 10 catches and 120 yards a game while being double teamed all game long. He's regarded as a better WR than Dez Bryant was at OKST. Ntm he's faster than Boldin, he's a top 10 pick for sure. Crabtree doesn't have the same athletic ability as JB, he can't stretch the field like him