F... Lexus Xmas Commercials

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Ummmm... I'm pretty sure Lexus is widely regarded as a leader in the luxury car market segment. It's really not that debatable.

You're mainstream luxury cars are BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and Acura. I believe Lexus has a pretty good lead in market share amongst those four.

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

Yeah this is the way I see it, but I think audi is just a glorified vw. Don't get me wrong they are very very nice cars but I view bmw and Mercedes in a different class.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

Your smart guy that is a dumb statement. You realize that if you go to Germany you will see BMW's and Benz's that are equivalent to say a Accord, Camary, Focus, etc.... Don't just look at their product line up in this country.

Plus this is a pretty hard car to compete against, I can't think of one BMW or Benz I take over this:

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Your smart guy that is a dumb statement. You realize that if you go to Germany you will see BMW's and Benz's that are equivalent to say a Accord, Camary, Focus, etc.... Don't just look at their product line up in this country.

Plus this is a pretty hard car to compete against, I can't think of one BMW or Benz I take over this:

Why would I look at their product line up in other countries? I live here, and here their cars are better than the Toyotas of the world.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Why would I look at their product line up in other countries? I live here, and here their cars are better than the Toyotas of the world.

Honestly I could careless it is matter of preference i just want to let you know Benz and BMW make non-luxury cars as well.

If you went down the line up of cars I pick most BMW over most Lexus models. Like I rather have a M5 over a GS any day. Do I know that the GS will out last the M5 most definitley but the M5 is way cooler and more fun to drive.

If you are in the market for those cars you probably keep them for a few years then move on so reliability is probably not tops on your wish list.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Your smart guy that is a dumb statement. You realize that if you go to Germany you will see BMW's and Benz's that are equivalent to say a Accord, Camary, Focus, etc.... Don't just look at their product line up in this country.

Plus this is a pretty hard car to compete against, I can't think of one BMW or Benz I take over this:

For half the price and better performance I am inclined to take the Mercedes SLS AMG among other super cars.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by saden1

For half the price and better performance I am inclined to take the Mercedes SLS AMG among other super cars.

Both are very nice cars, but appeal to different drivers due to their driving dynamics.
Here is a good article...
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG vs. Lexus LFA - Automobile Magazine
Love this picture from the article. When we are older, we will look back on this time and realize that we were in a golden age for automobiles. There are so many wonderful cars being produced right now.


GMScud - the LFA is available in the US.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

My father in law had the two door sports Mercedes and now has the 4 door and both are pretty bad cars. I drove both and it was fun for the day but I don't think I could ever spend that much money on a car. I just don't care that much about a car a driving tro care to own something that expensive. The most I have ever spent on a car to date is $14,500 but I have always had nice cars just not the top of the line. I also drive them into the ground.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Maybe true, but I'd take a Mercedes or a Beamer 8 days a week over a Lexus or Acura. There's something special about the way a Benz and Beamer drive. A Lexus is a glorified Toyota, and an Acura is glorified Honda. Infiniti's don't really drive any better than Nissans. Nothing wrong with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, but I feel like they just slap their top-shelf models with a different name and try to pawn them off as "luxury."

Audi, Benz, BMW... Still far ahead of the rest performance-wise, even if numbers say otherwise.

Come again? What other metrics are there when it comes to performance? Fastest from point A to B is all that matters.

As far as Honda:Acura, Nissan:Infiniti, Toyota:Lexus, it is much more than badge replacement. Engine and transmission variances, quality of materials, gap control, etc are all huge distinguishing characteristics between the house brand and the upscale brands.

For instance, my daily driver is an 06 Acura TSX. I chose this car because of the availability of Bluetooth (at the time), size (it's smaller than an Accord, bigger than a Civic), engine and transmission availability (K24A2 not available in any Honda model as well as 6 speed manual), as well as many other smaller details that you just couldn't find in any North American Honda at the time.

Lexus is the same way. Find me the Toyota that is just a rebadged IS, GS, or LS. All three of those models are unique to the Lexus brand. Inifiniti does reuse platforms to a higher degree than the other two, but even the Infiniti models differ greatly from their Nissan cousins.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Come again? What other metrics are there when it comes to performance? Fastest from point A to B is all that matters.

As far as Honda:Acura, Nissan:Infiniti, Toyota:Lexus, it is much more than badge replacement. Engine and transmission variances, quality of materials, gap control, etc are all huge distinguishing characteristics between the house brand and the upscale brands.

For instance, my daily driver is an 06 Acura TSX. I chose this car because of the availability of Bluetooth (at the time), size (it's smaller than an Accord, bigger than a Civic), engine and transmission availability (K24A2 not available in any Honda model as well as 6 speed manual), as well as many other smaller details that you just couldn't find in any North American Honda at the time.

Lexus is the same way. Find me the Toyota that is just a rebadged IS, GS, or LS. All three of those models are unique to the Lexus brand. Inifiniti does reuse platforms to a higher degree than the other two, but even the Infiniti models differ greatly from their Nissan cousins.

LOL! I was not going to go all gear head on him but you did, nice work.

[mlmpetert]

I get what youre saying but Lexus, Acura and Infinity were specifically designed for Americans as luxury cars whereas only the luxury packages of BMW and Mercedes models were introduced to America. Which makes me see a difference in someone saying a Lexus is just a Toyota with all the bells and whistles vs someone saying a Mercedes is just a Mercedes with all the bells and whistles.

There may be some cars that are completely different but a lot of these cars use the same frame and almost all have interchangeable parts from cars of their core brand for cars of their luxury brand. Like your TSX, the frame may not be from a Civic or my Accord, but its nearly the exact same car as the Japanese version of the Honda Accord, with an A instead of a H on its badge. I think a Lexus ES is just a fancier Camry that looks a little different. I guess its just all marketing.

I do however think it was a smart move by the Japanese brands, especially since Honda, Toyota and Nissan were once viewed by Americans solely as economy cars. The Hyundai Genesis looks like a damn nice car, but at the end of the day youre still driving around a Hyundai. Maybe they should have dropped the Hyundai name and came up with a new American sounding luxury name and called it something like the Apexis Genesis. Then people could say its not a Hyundai it’s an Apexis like many people say its not a Toyota it’s a Lexus. Hyundai has been doing a damn good job at rebranding and separating themselves from lower end car makers like Kia so it should be interesting how Americans view Hyundai in 10 or so years.

Either way Id personally prefer one of them fancy Toyota Lexus models over one of them fancy German cars.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Come again? What other metrics are there when it comes to performance? Fastest from point A to B is all that matters.

As far as Honda:Acura, Nissan:Infiniti, Toyota:Lexus, it is much more than badge replacement. Engine and transmission variances, quality of materials, gap control, etc are all huge distinguishing characteristics between the house brand and the upscale brands.

For instance, my daily driver is an 06 Acura TSX. I chose this car because of the availability of Bluetooth (at the time), size (it's smaller than an Accord, bigger than a Civic), engine and transmission availability (K24A2 not available in any Honda model as well as 6 speed manual), as well as many other smaller details that you just couldn't find in any North American Honda at the time.


Lexus is the same way. Find me the Toyota that is just a rebadged IS, GS, or LS. All three of those models are unique to the Lexus brand. Inifiniti does reuse platforms to a higher degree than the other two, but even the Infiniti models differ greatly from their Nissan cousins.

Listen, I'm not a gearhead, and I simply don't care enough about the topic to really get into it with you. All I know is I've owned an Acura in the past (2.3CL back in the day), I've driven a variety of Hondas, I currently own a 2010 Nissan Altima, and I've also driven a few Infinits and Lexus as well (my Dad and stepmom used to own one of each). The difference in price (for the average dude like me) between Infiniti vs Nissan, Honda vs Acura, etc etc doesn't translate to performance or quality.

My dad currently has a 2011 Mercedes C300, and I've driven it. No Infiniti or Lexus holds a candle to it. Promise. Just my opinion, but again, I don't really care enough to get into it any further.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Listen, I'm not a gearhead, and I simply don't care enough about the topic to really get into it with you. All I know is I've owned an Acura in the past (2.3CL back in the day), I've driven a variety of Hondas, I currently own a 2010 Nissan Altima, and I've also driven a few Infinits and Lexus as well (my Dad and stepmom used to own one of each). The difference in price (for the average dude like me) between Infiniti vs Nissan, Honda vs Acura, etc etc doesn't translate to performance or quality. Just my opinion, but again, I don't really care enough to get into it any further.

You have a choice in cars and you are more then welcome to say I like X model better then Y model, obviously. The part that irked me, and I am guessing cpayne5 also, is to think that Toyota rolls out a Camry and then just rebadges it with a Lexus symbol is a uneducated comment.

I personally was just trying to point out to you that hey it is more then that and that BMW/ Benz also make lower end cars. I believe cpayne5 was doing the same. I am not one on here to argue points I was just sharing my knowledge of cars with you. Sorry if I upset you.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mredskins

You have a choice in cars and you are more then welcome to say I like X model better then Y model, obviously. The part that irked me, and I am guessing cpayne5 also, is to think that Toyota rolls out a Camry and then just rebadges it with a Lexus symbol is a uneducated comment.

I personally was just trying to point out to you that hey it is more then that and that BMW/ Benz also make lower end cars. I believe cpayne5 was doing the same. I am not one on here to argue points I was just sharing my knowledge of cars with you. Sorry if I upset you.

Lol upset me? Like I said, I don't care enough about this topic to really get into it any further. I have an opinion, sure, but I'm not really into cars and never have been, so I don't really care. I guess I shouldnt have even said anything, because I'm certainly not going to be clicking on the links you guys posted or looking at 0-60 times or anything else.

Moving on...

[mlmpetert]

Like FRPLG said its all just a matter of perception.

Im done with arguing this too but i did stumble across a really cool website that will be helpful no matter what new car youre in the market for. I was comparing 2 similar cars earlier but its real easy to change makes and models

2011 Lexus ES 350 vs 2011 Toyota Camry XLE