2012 redskins

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He sucks, is a big mouth who's way overpaid and can't back up his play, he needs to go. That would make me very happy.

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[T.O.Killa]

I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.

Another opinion on it...

Orakpo has definitely improved against the run; did a good job getting inside for some stops.

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[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am not sure why no one is talking about this, but am I the only person that has noticed that Orakpo has become a huge liability to the run defense. He has also slacked way off on sacks. What really bothers me is how he can't shed blockers to make plays against the run.

I am an "out of market" guy, so most games I have to listen to radio broadcast. Orakpo is noticeably absent from Larry's play calls, but I had chalked it up to his newly minted celebrity status-too many commercials, not enough dedication to weight room and film study. Here's hoping he bounces back in a big way next season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redskin29633

I am an "out of market" guy, so most games I have to listen to radio broadcast. Orakpo is noticeably absent from Larry's play calls, but I had chalked it up to his newly minted celebrity status-too many commercials, not enough dedication to weight room and film study. Here's hoping he bounces back in a big way next season.

Not sure I'm buying that he's slacked off any.

[MTK]

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[Shadowbyte]

This season was all Donovan McNabb's fault just like last season. If we bench Donovan McNabb the Redskins will start winning games because Rex Grossman is much better than McNabb. He can also run the 2 minute offense a lot better which will result in more wins than last year. If we start Grossman, he'll throw for more yards, more TD's, and less INT's. This should be easy considering we've upgraded our offensive line, running game, and WR's (we have a much better supporting cast than last year). Grossman is clearly the better QB, this year Grossman has passed for 2,895 yards, 15 TD's, and 19 INT's. Last year McNabb passed for 3, 377 yards 14 TD's, and 15 INT's.

Rex Grossman is clearly better. I'm glad almost 90% of you on this board ran McNabb out of town and lobbied vociferously for Grossman, your results are proof in the pudding that you know what you're talking about. It was McNabb's fault why we didn't make the playoffs last year. And once we were mathematically eliminated last year I'm glad he deserved all of the blame. He had plenty of time to throw, his defense was the one of the stingiest in the league, and he had all pro's littered through out his offense.

Last but not least, his inaccuracy. I agree he was very inaccurate and Grossman is much better. Grossman completed 58% of his passes last year, way more than DM5's 58.5% he completed when he was here. Our record speaks for itself, the Shannahans were much better once DM5 left, I mean none of it was their fault, it was DM5's, and this years record and QB stats is proof that they were right. Look at the teams we beat this year compared to last year. When DM5 was here, he defeated Vick, Culter, Romo, and Aaron Rogers. Those are small potatoes compared to who Grossman has defeated. Grossman defeated Kevin, Kolb, Tavaris Jackson, Sam Bradford, and Eli Manning.

[Hog1]

Did you also canvas the Viking boards as to why they ran his ass outta' town there as well. OR were you just content to beleaguer them with topics that are fast becoming....history and have no bearing on current events and have been chalked up to...foolish trade?

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Did you also canvas the Viking boards as to why they ran his ass outta' town there as well. OR were you just content to beleaguer them with topics that are fast becoming....history and have no bearing on current events and have been chalked up to...foolish trade?

Considering that DM5 had double digit leads at the half in 3 out of his 4 losses in Minnesota I'm cleary blaming DM5 for losing those games too. Since he was demoted, they haven't had a double digit lead at the half since, nor have they won the many more games that were promised once he was gone. Infact his replacement only won one game too, despite having some decent games, which proves it was the QB's fault and the team were contenders.

Bad teams are bad teams for a reason. That's because they're not accountable for their actions. Instead of taking the blame for their poor drafting and poor coaching, they have to delegate the brunt of the blame to a sacrificial lamb. In both of these cases it was DM5. Once DM5 left both of these situations, the teams got worse not better. Meaning the detractors didn't know what the **** they were talking about.

[tmandoug1]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Considering that DM5 had double digit leads at the half in 3 out of his 4 losses in Minnesota I'm cleary blaming DM5 for losing those games too. Since he was demoted, they haven't had a double digit lead at the half since, nor have they won the many more games that were promised once he was gone. Infact his replacement only won one game too, despite having some decent games, which proves it was the QB's fault and the team were contenders.

Bad teams are bad teams for a reason. That's because they're not accountable for their actions. Instead of taking the blame for their poor drafting and poor coaching, they have to delegate the brunt of the blame to a sacrificial lamb. In both of these cases it was DM5. Once DM5 left both of these situations, the teams got worse not better. Meaning the detractors didn't know what the **** they were talking about.

Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Did you see any of the games that "DM5" played for the Redskins or are you to busy being tooting his horn. Missed reads, dirt balls and plain old crappy passes and that stupid ass grin when he blew a pass, please do not come on here and tout D Mcnabb, he sucked in Philly and he sucked in DC, that was all proven by his performance in the first game as a Viking with a total of 39 yards passing. You must realize that he is not a finisher and I do not care what gameplan he was in or wanted he was not accurate enough in the long run to be an elite QB. Get off his johnson dude really.

Yes I watched the games where DM5 beat the 2 teams that represented the NFC in the championship game last year. Also, can you please tell me who was the last QB to pass for over 3200 for the Redskins? I'll help you out since you're unaware of the facts. It was Gus Ferotte who passed for 3,453 yards in 1996 who started all 16 games. Only 76 more yards than DM5 who only started 12 for us.

So I don't what measuring stick you're using to make your points, emotional assessments don't qualify as facts. The fact of the matter is he's outplayed every QB who's been here since Mark Rypien. Even in Brunells and Ferotte's best years here, they both only completed 57% of their passes. Even Rypiens phenomenal year in 1991 he only completed 59% of his passes, one percent higher than DM5's 58% in 2010. So when you say he's so inaccurate, that's more of an emotional statement than a factual statement. Emotions carry no weight when we're debating the facts.

[SirClintonPortis]

Considering Shadowbyte seems to have swept Adrian Peterson and a weak strength of schedule under the rug, his polemic carries little weight. Not to mention not many people really thought Grossman was going to be any good when he first came in, only to see a surprisingly productive performance against the Cowboys.

Oh, and no one signed McNabb yet, despite having plenty of openings. Being passed over for Jake Delhomme, Kyle Orton, etc is quite damning. It seems that coaches don't believe he brings anything to the table.

[Hog1]

Actually.....I believe you will have to add Andy and the Eagles to your list of detractors? As he kicked his ass out first? So I guess there are actually 3 teams now that believe he is done? Maybe he is not.....29 teams left to try?
It appears he has become a....non-factor. To my knowledge he is playing...nowhere? Two teams now have taken a flyer on DM without success. His fault, their fault......Nobodies fault. They both apparently have no more interest in McBounce or any confidence in his ability to lead any team....successfully.
In hindsight, Andy Reed was the smart one. He....unloaded him first and we should have known by his indifference to ditching him "in division" that he had...No Fear of what he had left.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Actually.....I believe you will have to add Andy and the Eagles to your list of detractors? As he kicked his ass out first? So I guess there are actually 3 teams now that believe he is done? Maybe he is not.....29 teams left to try?
It appears he has become a....non-factor. To my knowledge he is playing...nowhere? Two teams now have taken a flyer on DM without success. His fault, their fault......Nobodies fault. They both apparently have no more interest in McBounce or any confidence in his ability to lead any team....successfully.
In hindsight, Andy Reed was the smart one. He....unloaded him first and we should have known by his indifference to ditching him "in division" that he had...No Fear of what he had left.

Yes, lets not forget about the Eagles. DM5 has been gone for 2 years now. He was clearly the one who was holding them back. Once he leaves, I'm sure they'll win the superbowl since all DM5 could do was get them in the playoffs and one minuscule superbowl appearance. Kevin Kolb was clearly better too. He was 2-3 as a starter in Philly, and 3 and 6 as a starter in Arizona. I think Andy Reid was right for running him out of town too since he helped the Cardinals and Eagles reach the playoffs.

[Chico23231]

In alot of cases, QBs bare the brunt of a team's play with usually too much praise or too much ridicule. This team after the Zorn era wasnt left alot of talent anywhere. Neither Rex or McNabb have the skills of a top 5 NFL QB to put a team on their back to be that much of a difference maker. I think the biggest mistake was not getting a young talent to develop. Was it McNabb or Rex's fault the team didnt win? No, but both did contribute to the losing.

Neither were the answer, but the question was never, Is this a playoff calibre team? It never was.