2012 redskins

[CultBrennan59]

I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.

I agree. Landing a franchise QB makes a lot of difference.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I've said this many times before and I'll probably be repeating this many times again;
You hit on the right QB and suddenly all those holes disappear on both Offense and Defense.

Yes. Just look at the Colts. Their roster appeared to have far more holes without Manning than it did with him.

A big-time QB makes every position on the team better.

[IrMitchell]

QB: Manning/Orton/rookie
RB: Helu/Royster/Hightower
FB: D Young
WR: Gaffney/Moss/Floyd/Hank/scrubs
TE: Davis/Paulsen (Cooley will be released)
LT: Silverback
LG: Lichtensteiger/Hurt
C: Monty/FA
RT: Brown/FA/Smith
DE: Bowen/FA/rookie
NT: Cofield/Nield
DE: Jenkins/FA/rookie
OLB: Kerrigan/FA/Rookie
ILB: Fletch/Rookie
ILB: Riley/Rookie
OLB Orakpo/FA/Rookie
CB Wilson/Hall/FA/scrubs
FS Atogwe
SS Landry? Gomes
K Gano
P Rocca

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

They do disappear. That's why I say go get RGIII. In my opinion Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins/Wilson will all be average to below average.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

They do disappear. That's why I say go get RGIII. In my opinion Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins/Wilson will all be average to below average.

It's really unlikely that all those guys won't make the grade (I'd even take "the field" over RG3, given the choice), but unless we get a combine riser from that group, it's fair to say that none of that group will look the part of a first rounder on draft day.

I mean, sometimes, you trade up for a combine riser and get Jay Cutler or Joe Flacco, other times you get Alex Smith or Mark Sanchez. It's a known risk level with Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Cousins et al.

[Alvin Walton]

Where is DeAngelo Hall at contract wise?
Anyone?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Where is DeAngelo Hall at contract wise?
Anyone?

He's got two years left plus a dummy year in 2014.

Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.

far is a relative term. i'm thinking $2M less in 2012, at the most.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by los panda

far is a relative term. i'm thinking $2M less in 2012, at the most.

$4 mil 2012 cap number? That probably gets a Routt deal done.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.

You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.

I like Hall but based on his salary I think it's time for him to go or redo his contract.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

You can thank the uncapped year for Hall's cap-friendly contract. They basically shoved all his bonus money into the uncapped year, so all that remains is salary.

And thus I think it's time for Hall to go. Maybe bring him back for less via a restructured deal, but from what I can tell that's not Hall's style. I see no reason to bring him back for $6M when we can cut him for nothing.

Josh Wilson's 1st year cap hit was $3.4M, so there's a ballpark of what bringing a new guy might cost us against the cap.

why couldn't/didn't they do that with trent williams?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by los panda

why couldn't/didn't they do that with trent williams?

They did. TW has very little bonus left in his contract ($1.8M). The bulk of it is salary and roster bonuses. His cap hit for 2012 is $12.6M, but $11M of it is salary.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's got two years left plus a dummy year in 2014.

Hall at this point is year-to-year contractually. It's as cheap to cut him now as he's ever going to be because almost all of the remaining money in his contract is in non-guaranteed salary. In other words, if you wanted to sign Stanford Routt or Brandon Carr, you could do so under the cap for less money than it would take to keep Hall on the roster.

I thought DHall was a dummy last year.