Patrick Ramsey's Future

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by gortiz

even though, it is WAAAAAAAAAY to early to get excited about Campbell.

This is a key point. As fans, we have a tendency to get caught up in excitement and hype that we hear on our players. We hear from Pro Football Weekly's whispers that scouts are raving about Jason Campbell in Redskins practices, saying he can really throw the ball. I think that's nice to get excited about, but there was never any doubt that Campbell can deliver the ball, we knew that from the moment we drafted him. The big question is can the guy master the mental intricacies of the NFL and run Gibbs' offense. The knocks on Campbell were for his intelligence, and it's important to keep that in mind. Hopefully he develops himself in that aspect and proves that he can do it. But I like to keep myself grounded; Patrick Ramsey is still the unquestioned QB of this team until Campbell proves otherwise, and nobody knows if he will.

[djnemo65]

Although I thought the Campbell pick was, at least at the time, inscrutable, I think I've come to understand that surely part of what's going on involves Joe attempting to light a fire under Ramsey, as I think Jansen phrased it during the draft. I'm sure they looked carefully at the San Diego situtation in which Brees found himself in a much less secure position - basically a four game final evaluation - and responded like a champion. Now no one can no for sure what role Rivers played in Brees's metamorphoses from second round bust to franchise starter, but we do know this; great qb's respond to pressure by playing great.

Look, Ramsey's gotta step up already, no more development. He's been in the league long enough that it's now time to perform; the expectations are the same for Joey Harrington and David Carr this year. If he really is the great player we all seem to think he is, he'll respond to Campbell's presence by winning. If he doesn't, then he probably didn't have what it takes anyway. If he does get it together this year like I believe he can, and this is in answer to the question, I think he'll stay in Washington for a long time. Campbell will be a bonus, much like Rivers. If Ramsey continues to move sideways he's gone in two years and its on to the next guy.

Either way, the Campbell pick is starting to look better to me because it accelerates the Ramsey evaluation process.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by gortiz

Gibbs has made it PAINFULLY clear he has no trust in Ramsey.

I dunno about that. I mean, for a coach not to trust his Quarterback, he sure was quick about giving Ramsey the starting job for this season - even before last season was over with. I say Gibbs does trust Ramsey - I think Gibbs' trust in Brunell is probably in question considering the acquition of Jason Campbell.

Then again, MB might prove us all wrong and go back to his old ways. Wow...a three way QB conflict! Wow... :headbange

[Schneed10]

Gibbs has always been the type that doesn't mind QB controversy, he thinks having two real good QBs is a great problem to have. I don't think he has "a guy", he just wants to have a couple good ones on hand, and he'll end up playing the best one. Simple as that. I don't think he brought in Campbell with the intention of trading Ramsey, and I don't think he views Campbell as Ramsey's automatic successor. He's just going to give them both a shot, evaluate them, and play the best one.

What happens in two years with Ramsey's contract is anyone's guess at this point, the salary cap will surely play a role. But I don't think Gibbs will trade Ramsey if he has one of those Drew Brees breakout years. He'll keep him and play him, despite Campbell warming the bench.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Not only that, if Ramsey has a Brees-type year, I'll be the first person to stand up for him to get a nice fat contract. He has gone through so much shit since he's been drafted. If we can get a good year out of him, I think he deserves it. Years like Brees had aren't just flukes.

[dirtbag2112]

It's amazing to me how many people don't realize that in Ramsey's last seven starts (take away that Giants game) he had a passer rating of roughly 85 and a completion of right around 65%. Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles. I personally do not doubt his ability at all. As far as Campbell goes, I think that our staff just felt like he was too good to pass up and not necessarily PR's replacement. Following the draft I heard a lot of experts say that Campbell was actually rated higher than Aaron Rogers on atleast 10 teams boards. We can all question why we gave up so many picks for the 25 spot, but if anyone listened to Gibbs after the draft he gave some explanations and some insight as to why we gave up so much. Ramsey is the man like it or not.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by dirtbag2112

It's amazing to me how many people don't realize that in Ramsey's last seven starts (take away that Giants game) he had a passer rating of roughly 85 and a completion of right around 65%. Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles. I personally do not doubt his ability at all. As far as Campbell goes, I think that our staff just felt like he was too good to pass up and not necessarily PR's replacement. Following the draft I heard a lot of experts say that Campbell was actually rated higher than Aaron Rogers on atleast 10 teams boards. We can all question why we gave up so many picks for the 25 spot, but if anyone listened to Gibbs after the draft he gave some explanations and some insight as to why we gave up so much. Ramsey is the man like it or not.

I like Ramsey too, but just to be a fly in the ointment, not too many of those passes were over ten yards. It's easy to complete screens.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I like Ramsey too, but just to be a fly in the ointment, not too many of those passes were over ten yards. It's easy to complete screens.

True, but look at McNabb who until last year didn't have a single season completion percentage above 59%, and that's playing in a west coast system full of short passes and screens.

We shouldn't fault Ramsey for being accurate with the short stuff. It's easier said than done.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by dirtbag2112

Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles

Um, yeah, until he threw up a jumpball to brian dawkins and i believe sheldon brown when we were down by 3 in fg range. also, i think the defense had something to do with us being in that game, holding the prolific birds to only 17. There's no doubt that Ramsey can peform for periods of time, but then he goes and makes a play like that which costs us the game. Remember, the difference between Manning and Mcown is very slight - alot of it is plays like that.

[Drift Reality]

Good point djnemo65.

I'm still bitter about how much material we traded to move up to get Campbell, but this helps me feel a little bit better.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

True. But he IS an NFL QB and that's his job. Like I said, I'm just being devil's advocate. I KNOW he can get it done and I fully expect him to this year. I'm sure his passing yardage will jump up because of better blocking for the screen passes.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right. That's the ONLY thing I'm worried about with Ramsey. He'll play consistently all game and he'll make one or two KEY bad plays.

[ChounsMan]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I think one of the more intriguing stories on the Redskins will involve Patrick Ramsey's future. Considering we traded a considerable amount of picks to trade up and draft Jason Campbell, I would say the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

At the same time, Ramsey has at least one year to prove his mettle before they even consider giving Campbell a shot.

My question is, what happens if Ramsey has a decent year and ends up with a QB rating in the neighborhood of 80-85. What if another team were to offer a top-10 first round pick for him. Would you make the trade, knowing that he had one more year left on his contract and that you had Gibbs' guy waiting in the wings?

NFL Pro Scouts know what they have with Ramsey & they are now seeing how much more they are getting with Campbell. Even if Ramsey has a breakout season, it's not going to change where the skins are moving towards in the future.

Campbell has tons more upside then Ramsey ever had, plus Campbell throws a better ball with more touch then Ramsey ever had.

Ramsey is playing this season for the NFL Scouts to rate his tradability.

[firstdown]

Ramsey's problems is not his arm, decision making, quickness, its his hair. How can you be a top NFL QB with a hair cut like that. He must go to Hair-R-US for the 6 dollar special.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

All he has to do is grow long hair like Brady and he's golden.