Patrick Ramsey's Future

[Schneed10]

What's with this notion that Jason Campbell is going to cost a lot?? Only guys in the top 10 or 15 picks have exhorbitant price tags in their rookie contracts. The guys in the back half of the first round are paid relatively cheaply. In 2002 when we picked Ramsey in the 32nd slot, he got a contract worth about $1 million per season plus room for incentives. Add some inflation to that, and figure Campbell got picked a few picks earlier, and he's probably between $2 - $3 million per season for 4-5 years. No big deal.

[firstdown]

I feel that Campbell is Gibbs safty net. We all know that it takes a couple of years to develop a rookie QB so that gives Ramsey two years or until the end of his contract to prove himself. We had to have a back-up QB so would we rely on Brunell to fill that role. We might for the first half of the year or Campbell might show that he is worthy of the number two spot sooner. I don't think we have a QB cotroversy yet, But if Ramsey is unable to step up his game we may have one in weeks 9 or 10. Gibbs had to either find a QB in free agency(which would be costly) or he could find one in the draft. Campbell was a late first round pick so his cost will not be that great. If Ramsey takes that next step we have a player in Campbell that we could trade or keep do to his low cost.I don't feel that Gibbs does not trust Ramsey he just wanted a plan B for if he cannot perform for us. Ramsey looked real shaky in preseason but started to come around when given the chance last season. I'm fully in Ramsey's corner but I'm happy that Gibbs chose to have a back up plan for the future if need be.

[rickmmrr]

Ramsey's never been behind a good O-line. This year he should be and it will make all the difference.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I completely agree about winning. If we go 10-6 or 11-5 and Ramsey stinks it up, it STILL would be hard to shop him or think about trading him in the offseason.

[skinsguy]

There is no doubt that Gibbs still has some questions about Ramsey, but he is still the guy for this season beyond a shadow of a doubt. If the Redskins have a losing season, Ramsey will be sitting the next year. 8-8 MIGHT keep Ramsey in, but Campbell will definitely be pushing the next season. So, SC is right, we HAVE to have winning season to solidify Ramsey as our guy for the long haul.

[GoSkins!]

Gibbs is in year 2 of a 5 year tenure. Finding out that you need a QB and trying to find him at the start of year 3 is a bad option. If Gibbs was 35 years old and planning to stay for 10 years, I don't think we would have traded to get Jason Campbell. What are are seeing is Gibbs plan of action to make sure he produces a winning team in the time that he can stay with the team.

If Campbell needs two years to develop, he could start in Gibbs 4th year. Chances are, his first real shot at going deep into the playoffs would be in Gibbs 5th (last) or 6th (good luck) season.

We traded next years number one pick and more to find some insurance for Gibbs to be able to win big before he retires for good.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Gibbs is in year 2 of a 5 year tenure. Finding out that you need a QB and trying to find him at the start of year 3 is a bad option. If Gibbs was 35 years old and planning to stay for 10 years, I don't think we would have traded to get Jason Campbell. What are are seeing is Gibbs plan of action to make sure he produces a winning team in the time that he can stay with the team.

If Campbell needs two years to develop, he could start in Gibbs 4th year. Chances are, his first real shot at going deep into the playoffs would be in Gibbs 5th (last) or 6th (good luck) season.

We traded next years number one pick and more to find some insurance for Gibbs to be able to win big before he retires for good.

Well said.

I think this offseason was a rude awakening for Gibbs in free agency. He saw so called "core guys" walk for more money. That could easily happen again, and god forbid it happens with Ramsey after he hypothetically puts up good numbers over the next two years. Then what? Campbell is Gibbs' insurance policy at QB.

[offiss]

All this talk about Campbell being an insurance policy, we paid a hefty price for ins., and this plan doesn't cover a whole lot, we didn't draft a great college QB, and yet he's going to challenge for super bowl's in 2 years? What about the Brunell ins. policy, how did that work out?

Here's our ins. policy as it stand's, we are 1 hit away from having either Brunnell or Campbell starting for us this year, sound's to me like we have no ins. for the next 2 year's, but in 2 year's we will be set, that's if Ramsey fails, But if Ramsey can't get the job done under Gibbs, then good luck Campbell your going to need it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by offiss

All this talk about Campbell being an insurance policy, we paid a hefty price for ins., and this plan doesn't cover a whole lot, we didn't draft a great college QB, and yet he's going to challenge for super bowl's in 2 years? What about the Brunell ins. policy, how did that work out?

Here's our ins. policy as it stand's, we are 1 hit away from having either Brunnell or Campbell starting for us this year, sound's to me like we have no ins. for the next 2 year's, but in 2 year's we will be set, that's if Ramsey fails, But if Ramsey can't get the job done under Gibbs, then good luck Campbell your going to need it.

Would ya rather have signed another washed-up veteran like Brunell as a backup though?

[MTK]

Only time will tell I guess.

In today's NFL I know it's all about now and what have you done for me lately, but there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the not so distant future.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Schaub would have been a great pickup. But basically the nature of the free agent QB market in the NFL is that you are either a has-been or a never-was. There's just no gray area.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

1. As I said a million times before the start of the season, I didn't like the trade because Brunell was a likely June 1 release, we gave up too high a pick, he's old, and his deal was too big.

2. I also thought Brunell would be successful here.

3. However, I said by week 3 that Brunell stunk and Gibbs was crazy for keeping him in there - even if he was coming to a new team, head coach, and offense. I also said Gibbs' offense stank up the joint and needed to change. I was totally ridiculed for making such calls. With an a-holeesque grin, I can say I was right on both counts; Brunell has been benched and Gibbs has admitted that he needed to make major changes to his offensive schemes (and offensive personnel) this off-season.

In any event, I don't think there's much room for debate about Brunell. We all now know it was a mistake (which even Gods like Gibbs are allowed to make every so often). So, lets put him (and Gibbs' 2004 offense) behind us. Gibbs learned from his mistakes and we're moving on with Ramsey.

[MTK]

So what if Ramsey stinks after 3 weeks? Should we yank him or give him more of a chance to iron things out?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

How many games did we give Brunell? I would say we yank Ramsey if he stinks it up as many games as Brunell. That was a long, HARD, BRUTALLY hard look, but we found he just doesn't have it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

How many games did we give Brunell? I would say we yank Ramsey if he stinks it up as many games as Brunell. That was a long, HARD, BRUTALLY hard look, but we found he just doesn't have it.

I don't have the patience to wait that long. First off, last year was Gibbs' first year, so players at all positions still didn't know what they were doing. Brunell had to struggle with players not really knowing their assignments and an offensive line that wasn't working very cohesively. This year, that's not the case; all the players should know the system. So I'd figure if Ramsey stinks for 4 or 5 games, it's time to make a change. We can't let the season get away from us before we make a change at QB.

But he won't stink. Patrick has the talent and the leadership characteristics, the one thing he hasn't had any of is continuity around him. He's been yanked from the starting spot, had offensive systems changed, and all kinds of stuff. The only variables he's dealing with this year are a new center and new WRs. He should know the offense, and he's going to start. I like his chances to play at an 85+ QB rating, which is solid by NFL standards.